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What are you using, a potato? Any modern distro comes with those. Without GTK4 and Qt6 barely anything even runs, lol.
I mean, you can reject literally everything of this new technology stack, but that doesn't change the fact it's things are working now. If you stay with old tech don't be surprised if things stop working though, the world will move even if you prefer to stand still. However if you want to be taken serious in your criticism please inform yourself on what you're criticize. Neither Flatpak nor Snap run "another distro inside". What you're talking about is stuff like Docker or Distrobox. Those are neither the default on user systems nor should they be, only very few distros aimed at enthusiasts and professionals ship them by default.
There are also multiple ways to ship portable apps, the best known of them would be AppImage. That one simply isn't recommendable due to a lack of maintenance and security issues (they simply don't fix the libfuse2 issue).
It's not like everything was great in ye' olden days anyway. There literally are FOUR different backends for desktop notifications, Pulseaudio is a friggin' trainwreck and don't even get me started on Xorg configuration. Every desktop environment very much did their own thing and once you installed an app using f.e. GTK2 on a KDE3 system the whole thing looked like it recently insulted Mike Tyson since there was no proper config available / it lacked the icon theme / the font broke everything / it didn't like your hairstyle. Likewise running older software more often than not was a real pain as they expected an environment with obsolete libraries etc.
Like it or not, Flatpak and Snap already are the standard. So is Wayland (and it works like a charm by now), and Pipewire is a god damn godsend after meddling with Pulseaudio all those years. And from a developer's perspective it's so nice to have a controllable environment to work with, i.e. Flatpak and Snap. Of those two only Snap generates huge overheads btw, it's a known problem with Canonicals approach (one of many). Still, technology like that is what Linux needs for the future.
But hey, ultimately Linux gives you the choice. If you want to stay in your niche I hope it suits you well.
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The flatpak runtimes are huge and are another distro in practice, just check the contents of the gnome runtime and you will see it is another distro.
Flatpak also depends on namespaces which paranoid distros disable and cause issues. Which the person you responded to talked about it and you ignored all together lol
This contradicts their own wiki. Type 2 AppImages do use libfuse2, which is the problem.
Because it makes absolutely no sense what he said. Even in the github thread you linked it is said that namespaces are enabled by default in the kernel nowadays, and any alternative would be more insecure. With the exception of Ubuntu (which uses Snaps) any major distro either comes with Flatpak already installed or the ability to do so with just 3 commands that do not change anything in the kernel. Like, he got it backwards: you have to disable namespaces (and by doing so break any non-legacy kind of virtualization or sandboxing) by default.
I think our definitions vary. What I was thinking about when hearing "another distro" was stuff like Docker, where another kernel, package manager etc. gets loaded. Do you just talk about size?