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I'll be honest, I do not know how to make a meme but I keep posting just to piss in these mods cheerios.
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It will have to get a lot worse domestically before this happens
Revolutions don't happen because there's too much suffering. Revolutions happen when people think there's no other way to force change, and when they think they can win.
It will get worse domestically. But this will not contribute to any uprising. In fact, it very likely will make it harder.
If you look at the French revolution, sure, there was suffering.
But look at who took over when the revolution had taken the heads of the monarchy. Was it the peasants who had waved pitchforks? Was it bollocks. It was a bunch of nobles who were sick of their lot under the old regime.
Revolutions happen when wannabe new leaders instigate them. Hordes of angry people are a force to be reckoned with, but without leaders they ain't organising shit. They're a tool for takeovers.
The bourgeoisie, rather than nobility, and the peasants were largely reactionaries; it was the urban proletariat which provided the enthusiastic manpower of the Revolution.
But yes, I agree. Organization and leaders make revolutions.
That's because the people in charge (historically speaking) have made sure that not enough universal suffering happens to create a revolution. This administration is a new kind of special, and I wouldn't count it out.
Bruh, I can point you to some very universally-suffering societies, both modern and historical, which did not provoke revolutions; and every revolution I can think of was very far from universally suffering, compared to prior or later conditions.
Suffering is only marginally related to revolution, at best.
I'll make a note that you are an expert in revolutions and move on with my life.
Edit: just to be clear, not that I really mind downvotes but I'm not being sarcastic and I'm not going toe to toe with somebody who is well versed in something that I am not I am clearly out of my depth. And I have not downloaded OP.
There are quite a number of revolutions in history, which is my field, yes.
May I ask,what would be that thing? Because its seems like your all well over due for a bit of a revolution
People are seemingly waiting for "the thing" not realizing that there’s never "the thing" in a successive authoritarian takeover.
I think most people thought that "the" line was crossed at some point several lines ago, but when there wasn't an obvious consensus that "the" line had been crossed at that particular time, people kept looking around and waiting for others to say that "the" line had been crossed. That's how we've all allowed it to get to such an insane point. We're all waiting for a revolutionary instead of being the leader we need. I don't think any of us feels qualified and capable.
Yes but it's bluntly obvious that no one in capital hill is actually qualified. In fact I would say they're extremely unqualified. Remember the BLM protests? When nothing changed, well you all need to get to working out that line and get out and do something. 50501
Well that's extremely sad
The thing is probably a leader for the opposition in this case.
Ohh indeed.
Here's the playfield:
We have cities full of poorly armed people who are on the edge of readiness. Then, we have thousands of miles of rural country with a sparse number of well-armed people who are quite happy with the turn of events.
Nearly all news coverage is now directly/indirectly state-controlled. Nearly all social media coverage is directly/indirectly state-controlled.
We're seeing protests come up around government buildings, but it's barely a pittance.
The people who would need to start the coup are poorly armed and largely reluctant to be violent; they're also not ready to give their lives for the cause. The people who are against any form of coup are well-armed and would LOVE to go in guns blazing.
The inklings of resistance are present. They'd need someone to organize and lead them,
Another concern I have is, historically, you have a coup, the military is called in to take it out, they refuse, and a new government is installed with their blessing. What happens when, instead of the military getting called in and refusing, the old government hires private industry to put guns on drones and starts murderbotting protestors? Tech isn't like it used to be. They don't need to get their hands directly dirty anymore or risk any of their own lives.
I'm not certain you could have a revolution against well funded oligarchs dug into a country.
Well kid,now is not the time to give up, no matter how dig in they think they are,the tick can always be pulled out
Here's to hoping.
The people who don’t care/understand politics will have to get hungry.
You know what they say, a society is one 4 meals aways from complete chaos
Thats the string holding it all together imo. The majority of people still feel secure enough in their next week of meals, let alone next four. Yeah they cost more, yeah food pantries usage are trending up so much that it threatens their stocks of food, but the foods still there and obtainable for most. Many of us who see the writing on the wall are ready for whatever but we can't simply start shooting and hope things get better.
Well sure for now,but your seen the price of eggs,Healthcare, transportation, education, Internet and about dozen other things,prices for food is already going up,how long will take? By the way,I don't think revolution is the answer,j think politicians need to grow some back bones. Give aoc or burnie a chance.
1929 crisis lasted more or less 10 years and nothing happened
Lol, dude. Seriously ? Have you read nothing of that time ?
I should have said nothing changed, not nothing happened. Ok, there were some peasant revolts.
Great reply,yea you guys are Americans. I thought you all have a belief that anything was possible with gumption and grit. I don't really understand what happened to the people,I thought you guys where all fire and brimstone,what happened?
I think a big difference between then and now might be the lack of community organizations.
When I look at US history pre-1980 or so, it seems like there were a lot more little clubs and organizations. Things like Kiwanis or Lions Club would be sort of backbones of the community (also involved in one’s route to political success - my grandpa’s plan before his mysterious/very controversial death was military -> lead the Kiwanis -> get into politics), or even tiny ass small towns might have a organizations for the local immigrant populations - like Krebs, OK used to have an Italian organization large enough to do parades.
These organizations would provide support to their members. They’d do fundraisers for the sick, they’d organize meal trains. Unions also did a lot of that.
(The second Klan, ie 1920s, was primarily one of these types of social organizations. Some folks joined for the baseball matches and parades).
Like keep in mind most of us are a paycheck or two away from eviction. And once you drop out of the system it’s difficult to get back in. We don’t have support networks (even the way the nuclear family atomizes individuals - parents aren’t expected to support you after 18). Those were support networks that could step in if you lost your job after an unfair imprisonment or if you needed to find someone to babysit during a rally.
Also goes with the lack of third spaces - these kinds of meetings or events were places to meet others in the flesh. I think the political discussion of a chautauqua was probably less vulnerable to foreign bad agents (although certainly not domestic ones).
We just have a lack of community in general - I guess a “lack of class consciousness” ensues. We view our struggles against our landlord/boss/grocery stores as individual and still somewhat of our own fault, that we are still “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” who haven’t worked hard enough to earn it yet.
I’ve known (rich) people who think people without health insurance who can’t afford their treatment deserve to die. When you don’t know poor people, they aren’t human to you. When you don’t know other people, their struggles don’t matter.
We’re too exhausted from working to socialize, organize or really being able to give a shit about anything.