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Something that I realized about the fediverse is that you seem to be able to criticize the USA as a whole, but if you criticize the Democrats you get downvoted. Democrats suck they are not sacred cows (lemmy.ml)

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[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 7 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

That about sums it up.

I'll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.

But fuck me, I'd love to vote for something else. And I'll be honest, I have no idea how we get anything better.

I hear people saying to organize, but I can't even imagine what that takes. I wonder if most Americans feel as helpless as I do in the face of this absolute bullshit.

[–] dx1@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets. They have completely given up their agency and just accept this impotent logic of "we'll take whatever the most obvious/most apparently easy option is, that isn't a Republican". It's a cyclical problem, the voters don't care enough to force politicians to be good, and the politicians don't care enough to court voters.

[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

At the same time, "what the population votes for is what the population gets" ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "you get what you fight for, and if you don't fight you get what you get."

I... haven't really fought for anything. I believed the right things. I voted as best I could. But that clearly didn't stop this.

I want to protect my ego and say I'm not a coward. Is there a distinction to be made between cowardice and simply not knowing what to do? I don't know. I just know I'm trying my best, but maybe that's just not enough.

[–] dx1@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.

It does not ignore that, rather it explicitly takes that into account.

The caveat to my statement would ONLY be "so long as we're using this system."

Please focus more on accurate logic.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.

Unfortunately, much of what the Democrats represent is fascism.

[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Depends on what you mean by "much"? I'd argue the Democrats, on the whole, are liberals, not fascists.

I'd certainly prefer progressives and leftists though.

The support for Israel whole they genocide Palestine, thought... ugh. That can certainly be viewed as fascism, although where you draw the distinction between fascism and imperialism is up for debate. Not that imperialism is good either, just saying.

[–] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

Liberals are the only people in history to vote for fascists to prevent class solidarity, and they've done it every time.

If you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.