this post was submitted on 15 Jul 2025
1372 points (99.4% liked)
AntiTrumpAlliance
1763 readers
400 users here now
About
An alliance among all who oppose Donald Trump's actions, positions, cabinet, supporters, policies, or motives. This alliance includes anyone from the left or the right; anyone from any religion or lack thereof; anyone from any country or state; any man, woman or child.
Rules
-No pro-Trump posts or comments
-No off topic posts
-Be civil
-No trolling
-Follow Lemmy terms of service
Social Media
Other Communities
!desantisthreatensusa@lemmy.world
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
You might be chronically online buddy
If the long term trend of both sides has been to screw over citizens does it really matter how many times one side has fucked up in a given time frame?
Yes.
Yeah you're right there's no difference between jumping off a building and using stairs. The long term solution is to get to the bottom, does it matter how?
Great analogy, its almost like there is an elevator but most voters are so stupid they choose to take the stairs or jump off the building.
Thank you, what would the elevator be in this analogy? Can't think of any elegant, smooth, safe way out of this political cluster fuck.
Exactly!
Yes.
Mate, the only point that might be valid for is the war crimes and that's about it. Noncing little kids no matter what party is disgusting and almost every elite America has is on that list it goes way beyond politics.
But that's not the point, both parties are effectively one entity, and their only goal is to keep themselves in power and YOU out of it. There's 2 parties cuz it keeps power centralised and gives the public the illusion of choice and democracy.
Believing any part of the american govt supports their own people let alone the human rights of any other people is complete delusion and absolute copium. Trump is infinitely worse but like I said you seem to have chosen "the lesser of 2 evils".
"The Republicans are fucking me deep in the ass yet the dems are only kicking me in the head, looks like I better vote dems."
Yeah so maybe we go after the worst ones before burning both bridges and getting nothing done. You're acting like a centrist voting third party out of morality. Guess who won? The worst guys. Maybe fucking focus on a winning strategy to take out Hitler before we move on to mini Hitler.
Your “winning strategy” still involves losing even when you win. There is NO path where a Democrat win results in the Republicans all packing up and quitting politics.
The reason things have got this bad is because y’all always believe that the current election is the only one that will ever matter, which you also believed the last 10 times.
Lol I swear to god some of you are just accelerationists. You have four options when voting rolls around. Vote red, vote blue, vote green, do nothing.
Voting red accelerates the damage, policies that don't align with your core personal beliefs are implemented and things get worse, fast. Laws that granted more freedom, repealed. Laws that stifle retaliation, rubber stamped. Regression in its purest form.
Voting blue slows things down, opens the gate for progressives to enter the space, even going as far as to win despite aid from the DNC. Mamdani for example. Can lead to fundamental system changes.
Voting green (or "morality voting") usually ends in a lack of funding for the candidate, causing too few people to know who they are. Normies will not vote for a name they don't recognize or a party they don't identify as.
Not voting (or "Protesting the system") leads to candidates that don't represent the interests of the country being elected and makes it easier for those with money to make it harder to actually change the system.
The reason nothing gets fucking done is because you get it in your head to be cute. You want to purity test the left rather than shutting the fuck up and just voting blue. Republicans cannibalized themselves for like a month over speaker of the house, then got their shit together and just pass anything red. In 6 months they have caused more political damage to this country than any left candidate has ever hoped to try. And stupid purists like you are a massive reason why he got elected. Twice.
Dems are so thoroughly convinced they’re owed all non-Nazi votes, that they’ll openly call you stupid for not toeing the line.
Your analysis of voting Blue has not been reflected in the reality of the past two decades. They are not opening the door to progressives, and the irony of you mentioning Mamdani is that many Dems have actively come out against the man. Just like they did to Bernie, the whole party is a catch-and-kill trap for true progressives.
There is no alternative. Third party is not an option and if you think the DNC hates progressives, you're not looking at the RNC. Democrats are the only window. The only solution under the current system. Yes, decry the system is broken and we will nod on solem agreement. Short of a revolution, the Democrat party is the best current solution.
Anyone who isn't a nazi should be voting blue. Any other option allows a nazi to be elected. This is a trolly problem but with the whole of the United States and to a degree the globe. Stop overcomplicating it.
Mamdani is a progressive democrat, if course the establishment democrats are against him. Yet, he's about to become mayor. Yes we all know the DNC scuttled Bernie which is why I never said to fund the DNC I said vote blue. An establishment dem is better than a republican. A progressive dem is better than an establishment dem.
The only way a progressive gets elected is as a Democrat. Mamdani proves it. We can't even do ranked choice voting because Republicans would never win again, so they block it.
That's not a solution if mini Hitler and Hitler have the same goals in mind, youman have two parties yet you still can't seem to grasp that they're both effectively the same entity, it's all washington bro, they're NOT your friends, they all have the same goal in mind. I'm sorry to shatter the smokescreen you've been looking at your whole life but America's been stolen and rigged since day 1 and there's absolutely fuckall you can do about it, all you can do is sit back and watch it burn as the majority pay for the crimes of the few.
Yeah people like you just don't have a solution. You'd rather wait for a cure to the cancer than to get treatments done. We all know the treatments aren't perfect, we know we're slowly dying, why the fuck do we need you screaming it? You're yelling in a cancer ward that the treatments aren't cures. No shit.
Ignorance is bliss sho. I'm just stating what I'm observing, you're the one denying it and legitimising a rogue state ran on a rigged system. I already said this in another thread but, you can't accuse me of "taking both sides" if I'm not american and I'm against one group of people and that's Washington. Either ways not my country not my business. Just stating my opinion, whether you'll choose to care about if Washington gives 2 shits about you is completely up to you.
The dangers of a 2-party state are right in front of you, there's thousand of infinitely more democratic systems out there.
I'm not Russian but it doesn't take a fucking genius to figure out that everyone sitting in their parliament, regardless of what party has the exact same politics and is equally as corrupt, the other parties are only there to give the illusion of democracy, only in Russia elections are rigged and none of the "opposition" parties have any real power.
Like I said not my country for me to be looking for one. This is whole thread is about kiddy fiddling and instead of agreeing on how its disgusting you admitted to wanting to vote for one group of pedophiles just because they're less bad than another group of pedophiles.
You're screaming what we already know. There is no ignorance, you are no town crier, you are simply noise for the sake of it and I'm sick of the unintelligent cacophony.
I didn't ask if it was your country, I said present a viable solution and steps to achieve the better outcome. You are no different from a baby crying for milk. You don't care how you get it, don't care what happens to get it to your mouth, you just want it now and refuse to be silent until it happens. People like you slow progress with your incessant babbling.
You have energy with no direction. Outrage without clear purpose. And you often act like an anchor to things you'd otherwise be able to benefit from. Worst of all you are incapable of distinguishing severity. You are a mind broken centrist (or ultra leftist) that can't figure out we can get rid of all the kid touchers with the left, while the right is defending them whole sale.
We cannot have a left of left party while the right still exists. We cannot remove the right by allowing them to be elected.
🤣🤣🤣 lol you're doing the exact same thing in regards to republicans, yet I'm not arguing with you on that because all your points on republicans are completely valid. If your solution is legitimising the Washington establishment do your thing bro, I'm not here to find solutions to Russia's corruption, Greece's debt defaulting or Venezuela's hyperinflation, they're not my problems, doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to acknowledge it, don't mean I'm crying about it either. My politics are beyond the scope of Washington because like I said before I'm not american, I don't acknowledge washington, I can't put myself in the shoes of an american voter, because none of it's to do with me, same goes for France or Botswana, I'm not from there.
Regardless of who you fucking vote for they're still going to pursue roughly the same foreign policy of blowing up brown people in the middle east, funding Israeli terrorists, performing coups on democratic countries, spying and collecting data on billions of people and fucking little children, so my problem's not with either party on its own, it's with America itself.
The Washington establishment is called that precisely because it has been legitimized and established. If you want to delegitimize it, that could serve as the first step to achieve a solution. I'm not saying our views are even contrasting, our methodology is.
Spreading the good word doesn't mean much when there's nothing that follows. No plan, no suggested actions, just small groups struggling to do what they can. All we can presently do is slow the bleeding. Getting tired of bleeding doesn't mean to just stop holding the wound.
Sure. Just for clarification, cuz many americans don't seem to understand this but the dems or reps don't encompass the entirety of "the left wing" or "the right wing", both are effectively right wing with one being relatively more left leaning. Not liking one party isn't an endorsement of the other. Because a strictly 2-party state like the US is designed to encourage polarisation and lack nuance within the general public. Plus in other countries other parties aren't interconnected with each other, except maybe countries with fake democracies like Russia and Singapore.
And centrism, outside of America isn't "taking both sides", the UK lib dem party for example is centre-left, slightly further to the left than the ruling labour party which has recently shifted further to the right although being way further to the left than them in the past. The conservative party is about as right wing as the democrats and the mostly fringe far-right reform party is basically like the republicans. What your politics are shouldn't be based on any party, its about your ideals, what is left or right wing isn't dictated by parties, instead parties base how far left or right they are based on their ideals.
For example, the labour party, a historically firmly left-wing party (much more than now), under Tony Blair went to war with Iraq with the republicans, proving that a party's actions don't make their actions left or rightwing. The same left-wing party after incessant lobbying from Israel is now unfortunately providing them with weapons and suppressing free speech, after removing their anti-zionist leader.
Personally I disagree with a lot of what's both considered left and right wing, I make my own opinions and reject the categorisation of my beliefs into something linear, but that's just me, cuz whats left and right changes constantly and differs based on country and culture, in america for example, relaxed gun laws are incredibly conservative since it's already something established within society for hundreds of years, in Europe however, the exact same topic is a very left wing and radical stance since they haven't been implemented/are outlawed.
I, like other Europeans naturally have a distrust for politicians and have zero loyalty to any one party.