hey folks, here's a quick update on our decision to defederate from sh.itjust.works! (and here's sh.itjust.works's side of this update)
we got in touch with the head admin over there, The Dude, and we had a pretty good chat about our concerns and reason for defederating. while immediate re-federation is just bluntly off the table with the rudimentary state of Lemmy's moderation tools, we now have a pretty good idea of the roadmap to refederating with them. we think we'll eventually be able to do this, although we don't have a timetable on when yet.
we're also now collaborating with him on how to move forward--and in the weeks and months to come we'll be pushing to expedite the process of developing some of the necessary tools. this decision has really helped us make connections that can hopefully realize those tools both on the desktop side and in apps being developed for Lemmy. we're also hoping to collaborate with other Lemmy administrators who have needs like our own, or just generally want more granular tools at their disposal.
we did also get in touch with the lemmy.world owner prior to defederating to share the concerns that prompted us to defederate[^1]--but we have not received any communication from him since it was levied, so there's no roadmap at all there as of now. we're always open to reconsidering and collaborating to end the defederation with him, but for now the earliest i can give you is "when mod tools are in a better state".
that's all for now folks. if any new significant developments take place we'll announce them as needed.
[^1]: we're only bringing this up now because it was just not useful information in the context of our announcement. it almost certainly would have been interpreted as some sort of callousness and/or brought unnecessary sectarianism and grief to him. at the end of the day he has his reasons and desires for running lemmy.world how he does, and we have ours for running Beehaw as we do. because of social and technological circumstances those are just incompatible right now, and that's fine.
Hahaha!
On a separate note, it is very interesting that the creator of Lemmy.world is non-responsive. That is concerning, seeing as how his instance is one of the biggest.
he's probably just busy, and we're not going anywhere so as far as i'm concerned it's not a big deal either way
That was my take. I imagine most of the admins/mods of the larger instances are very busy these last few days. It will shake itself out over time. The thing thats really interesting about the fediverse concept is that something like this can happen--for better or worse.
I personally appreciate the level of curation and moderation being done here. I looked at the blocked list and even some of the names just skeeve me out. I dont want to have to deal with that, and if the mods here can see lots of trolls or bad content coming from particular places, I like that they would take action to deal with it.
Shoutout to The Dude for being responsive and receptive, but I wouldn't write off the lemmy.world admin yet.
It's the end of a crazy week, his instance is just a few weeks old, and there are many things to do. I'm sure he's busy and not intentionally ignoring beehaw.
I reached out to him on matrix and pointed him to this thread.
I guess I just don't typically give people the benefit of the doubt, especially online. I need to work on that.
I blame reddit's culture rot for that. A decade ago or more, reddit was an overall better place to be. It's going to take time to shake that off.
But the admins here are doing an amazing job fostering an environment where having overwhelmingly good experiences is the norm!
Yeah, I agree. Reddit was great when it first started out. I love what the Beehaw folks are doing.
As one of the biggest, it could be as simple as that they're overwhelmed, and Beehaw refederation is not a top priority.
Why do you see it as concerning?
Well, it was pretty big news that Beehaw was defederating from them, and it doesn't take a lot of effort to reply real quick to someone reaching out to you from Beehaw. You could just say "thanks, let's talk about this when I'm not so busy" but to just ignore it seems weird to me.
I don’t think I’m the only person who won’t reply to an email until there is something actually productive to say.
I guess I'm just the weird guy who appreciates acknowledgment because without it I feel like I'm being ignored.
It's rude to not to acknowledged, you are right and valid to feel that way.