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[-] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 113 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How many studies that boil down to giving people money with no strings attached that always result in "well it improves their lives it seems" are we gonna have before people finally decide it's worth doing that stuff universally?

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 41 points 1 year ago

The trouble is, the people doing the studies and the people in charge of deciding where public money is spent and acquired, are different groups.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 20 points 1 year ago

Many people are driven by feelings. We all are to some extent. But for many people feelings are primary. This comes up all the time.

You can show charts and studies and everything, but they don't care. You have to make them feel good about it.

Frankly I'm kind of sick of pandering to overgrown toddlers, but there's no escape from it.

[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

i mean this is true but also the natural state of humans isn't to be filled with hatred, if it was just that people are ruled by emotion then the world would be an amazing place since most people have empathy.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

It's the combination of "all feelings no thinkings" and "in-group good, out-group bad" that's really the problem.

Just one or the other isn't a disaster.

[-] Meron35@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Even Milton Friedman, the Nobel winning economist credited for libertarianism and neoliberal economics was in favour of UBI.

He specifically advocated for simplifying the tax code, and abolishing the welfare state in favour of progressive tax rates which included a negative income tax, which is a more extreme UBI.

Right wing policy makers just heard the simplify tax code and abolish welfare state part.

[-] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

Never, so long as there's the notion that you have to "earn" or "deserve" it.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

For some, life has to be suffering. I think that people can't get past that way of thinking.

[-] PodPerson@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

What? You mean without the cruelty? Why even bother?

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

But Dave from the local bar says he knows someone who took advantage of the benefits system so it's obvious that everyone takes advantage of it and are just lazy and would rather get money for nothing... /S

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

"well i'm a raging alcoholic and spent all my welfare on the cheapest booze i could find, so obviously that's what everyone's going to do"

[-] fristislurper@feddit.nl -1 points 1 year ago

This is not going to go down well on Lemmy, but: not many studies boil down to this, unfortunately.

This article really changed my view on this https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/giving-people-money-helped-less-than

[-] Miaou@jlai.lu 5 points 1 year ago

This article is not saying money does not help, but saying it's not all it takes. I don't think this is a hot take at all

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

breaking news: family in uganda starving to death despite having €40000 to eat

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