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I think there have been a lot of articles showing the protest votes didn't move the needle in a way that could have impacted the outcome, but I'm prepared to be shown I'm wrong.
Yeah, in the key swing states, Harris actually received more votes in 2024 then Biden did in 2020. What happened wasn't people choosing to vote third party or abstain because "both parties bad". It was that Trump was exceedingly successful at convincing otherwise non-voters to vote for him. As terrifying as that is to think of.
Well, that or the vote rigging that Trump literally announced that they did actually happened.
People who voted for Biden in 2020, but refrained from voting Harris in 2024, overwhelmingly named left-purist reasons, and numbered in the millions
29% of the votes Harris lost were due to her support of genocide. (Source: yours, technically IEMU but that's where there numbers are coming from)
She gained 8M fewer votes than Biden (Source infinitebanjo, I CBA looking it up)
29% of 8M is 2.3M Numbered in the millions: 2, technically true I guess.
Trump gained 2.5M more votes than Harris. (Source: PBS)
The population couldn't vote Democrat, they were run over by the bus Dems threw them under. Blame most those most in power.
Now I don't want to blame 9-11, but it certainly didn't help
There’s a good chance we’re a week away from Trump sending out squads to round up anyone he deems left.
If you can’t see it I definitely can’t show you.
What you just said doesn't follow from the point octopus_ink was making.
Why not?
Every protest voter and non voter contributed to the reality we’re currently living in.
I think you've fundamentally misunderstood the point.
The margin that Trump won by, was higher than the number of "Leftist protest voters", unless you're dishonestly counting every non-voter in the country as a Leftist protester.
I can’t tell which side you’re trying to argue there, because the results of a different election entirely aren’t particularly relevant to either…
I don't, because nothing in that statistic proves or even demonstrates anything whatsoever about the roles of protest votes versus any and every other factor affecting an election.
If you're going to claim that leftist protest voters only existed in 2016 and 2024, but all capitulated to the Dems in 2020, then go ahead, but the statistic you're quoting doesn't prove that in any way.
I said helping, not being the cause of.
It’s like you’re arguing that just because you voted Trump your vote wasn’t the deciding one so he’s not your fault.
But between the protest votes and the non voters they definitely caused Trump to be elected.
At which point the facts backing up your anti-leftist tirade become so weak as to be meaningless. You're ascribing a level of responsibility to Leftists that you're quite happy to let literally everyone else in the country off the hook for, including people who actually voted Trump.
Between the protest voters and non voters we’re past eighty million.
Are you claiming that twenty five percent of the potential voters are meaningless?
This is the ~~second~~ third time this thread that your reply reads as though you literally just haven't understood the post you're replying to. The first time round I was happy to explain myself in more detail, but now it's starting to feel like you're not making a good faith effort to read before typing.
If you believe that you’re not reading or understanding what I am saying though.
I can see it alright. My vote 3.5 years from now doesn't impact what Trump does next week though. How Dem leadership reacts when he does it might impact that vote though.