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It's a term vegans developed and marketed to label their out group.
Whenever anyone labels an out group, they are doing so to feel superior. Considering people already felt vegans have an heir of superiority, the term acts to reinforce this notion.
Vegans that use the term are not smart people. They are displaying an inability to apply logic and reasoning to move their cause forward. Indicating they did not use logic and reasoning to make their decision but rather emotions. Emotions which they then attempt to deploy in an effort to manipulate others. They do not understand that not everyone is as easily emotionally manipulated.
They will of course backfill their choice with dogma from the movement. But they do not lead with that dogma because it is not how they became one.
Why didn't carnists come up with their own term for themselves? Vegans made up a name for themselves. If carnists come up with a term for carnists and market it, vegans will probably use it.
"nonvegan" is common parlance
That's not actually an identifier, it's just the negation of one. It's reductive and incorrect. It would be like if we called straight people nongay or atheists nonchristian. Of course, all three erase the grey area in between: vegetarians, bisexuals/asexuals, and any other religion, respectively.
Can't you think of a word to describe yourself? What is the ideology of carnists in your own words? What unites you, sets you apart from others, and sounds snappy? We'll just have to call you carnists until you fix your branding problem.
there is no ideology. it's is vegans who have the ideology
Okay, well that opens up a whole new area of words to describe carnists. You could call yourselves centrists, or moderates, or apoliticals, or nihilists. All good words to describe having no ideology other than conforming to society's norms.
not-believing your dogma isn't an ideology
nonvegan is already common parlance. most people are not nihilists.
When it comes to animals, they are. Like you said, they have no ideology, no convictions. A communist like drag believes in workers rights. Animals are being forced to work for capitalists, and they deserve rights. But you don't. When it comes to animals, you're not a communist, progressive, or anything. You're just complicit with all of capitalism's exploitation. Just a fascist collaborator, going along with a system in which the human race is supreme and all other races exist to be exploited and killed.
farming isn't fascism
treating animals like animals is good, actually.
Treating one particular animal the way the other animals are treated was the whole thing wrong with the holocaust.
no, the problem is treating people like animals.
Humans are a species of animal. You just think the human race is a master race.
we're a different species, not just a different race. and it's not about being a master, it's about treating people like people and animals like animals.
So you're saying humans shouldn't be the masters of animals? Maybe you're not such a fascist collaborator after all
no, they just don't believe in veganism.
vegans call vegetarians carnists, too.
human
you don't know anything about me