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[-] MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zip 343 points 9 months ago

Electron is the only cross platform gui toolkit...

If you ignore QT, GTK and everything else.

I'm so glad that Microsoft makes an awesome cross platfor--- wait, no, but they contribute code to--- hmmm ... Hey, what does Microsoft do to make apps more portable again?

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 167 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The real reasons often are:

  • They want be able to hire much cheaper webdevs instead of software devs.
  • Electron has a lot of built-in data collecting metrics, which they urgently need for creating a real-life KITT.
  • Easy live embedding of content. Sure you can add your own solution, in fact I created ETML as a solution for this problem for my engine, all without any support for nasty scripting languages or convoluted stylesheets (style-inheritance in CSS turned me off from webdev even more than JS did). At best, it can be used for things like embedding videos on Discord, because no one else thought some universal approach, let alone one that disallows proprietary players. At worst, it's being used for ads.

Also a lot of Windows-only apps are Electron apps, only because the manufacturer wants to go "fuck you", even putting protections into the code just in case you wanted to run it on Linux.

EDIT: Forgot the "live embeds" reason.

[-] klangcola@reddthat.com 17 points 9 months ago

Another reason is when developing the Web version first. Draw.io is a good example, where we get a bonus desktop(electron) version "for free" though the product was developed as a web app.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 points 9 months ago

Also works on mobile easier, just change some CSS

[-] lime@feddit.nu 80 points 9 months ago

one of the funniest (and sadly accurate) things i've heard said about linux backwards-compatibility is that its most stable API is Win32. you can run really old windows software on wine because they support stuff even windows doesn't anymore.

of course this is because the expectation is that you can just recompile old software to work on new systems, which is not really a thing on window.s

[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago

The most stable system is one that is out of support. No updates == No breakage! ๐Ÿ˜„

[-] Archer@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Itโ€™s very amusing to imagine devs carefully watching for an EOL/EOS date and starting to build software only after

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 months ago

I think this is the point of Debian stable, and also why some devs hate Debian stable.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago

It's so portable! With maximal efforts we support both windows 7, windows 8.1 (but not 8.0), windiws 10 and soon Windows 11 !!!

/s

[-] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Flatpak
AppImage
Snap

Hell, let's not forget
Python Perl
Java
POSIX

[-] teolan@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

The first 3 are Linux only. It's irrelevant.

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[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 10 points 9 months ago

You can even do inefficient UIs in Python using tkinter, which is part of the standard library in python.

[-] addie@feddit.uk 22 points 9 months ago

Python tkinter interfaces might be inefficient, slow and require labyrinthine code to set-up and use, but they make up for it by being breathtakingly ugly.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 5 points 9 months ago

And now imagine yourself creating an UI in tkinter without an editor. Because that's what I did. It was absolutely horrible.

[-] 30p87@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago

Probably faster than me even deciding the bg color tho

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago

I didnt care how it looked, because I only wanted for it to be finished fast.

[-] 30p87@feddit.org 1 points 9 months ago

For efficiency, just use the cli. The user doesn't want it? Then I don't want the user.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 1 points 9 months ago

I do not want the user to ever be expected to edit the database by hand. If they make a mistake by doing so, they can break the entire system. That's why I wrote a GUI which gets the job done.

[-] 30p87@feddit.org 1 points 9 months ago

Well, every high-level, abstracted action done in a GUI can just be mapped onto subcommands of a CLI

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 1 points 9 months ago

It could, but since the GUI was not very complicated it was not worth the effort caused by teaching the people who would have used the GUI how to do it in the CLI. They also have a lit of other work to do, so if I would have expected them to use the CLI, they would have probably not done the stuff I want from them at all.

[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago

Ugh, and they're just weird. I can handle ugly but ktinker popups go across virtual desktops and over other windows for some ungodly reason, and never seem to dismiss themselves properly

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

.net
.net cli apps are cross platform and can be portable :p
Gui in .net isnt fully cross platform ( maui is everything except linux ) but frameworks like avalonia ( .net ) and imgui fix all that :')

[-] klangcola@reddthat.com 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Thanks for reminding me why Maui doesn't support Linux. I saw Maui mentioned in an earlier comment and was baffled why KDE would make something not working that doesn't work in Linux. It's because Microsoft stole the Maui name from KDE: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Microsoft-KDE-MAUI

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

LOL, didnt know maui naming was taken before. Hilarious

[-] mittorn@masturbated.one 3 points 9 months ago

@DacoTaco @MoogleMaestro there is a port of mono winforms implementation to modern dotnet and it's really works:
https://github.com/DanielVanNoord/System.Windows.Forms

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[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Does not MAUI compile to Linux, just that you need to compile on Windows?

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Nope. The ui framework doesnt support linux at all. None of its cross platform claases and enums have linux. Its stupid because .net and aspcore just work on linux...

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

https://github.com/dotnet/maui

Android, iOS, iPadOS, macOS, and Windows

Everything but Linux, that's funny.

I look at MAUI a year or so ago and IIRC, "official" Linux support was made by the community.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 9 months ago

Lazarus gang, this is your chance!

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