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Everyone? No. But it's a primary goal of the Democratic party. "No one wants to take your guns" rungs super-fucking-hollow when you have states actively banning firearms.
I would rather change the social circumstances than worry about regulating tools. When you fix the underlying systemic problems--many of which are an intended side effect of capitalism, e.g. poverty--then you don't see the same kind of violent outbursts. Racism, poverty, misogyny - these are all things that result in violence among many other negative social consequences. Violence is just the most obvious one.
I agree, but at the same time you can't deny the statistic. The US is the only developed country with regular mass shootings. We are behind the ball when it comes to Healthcare but I'm inclined to believe that isn't the only factor.
I agree; it isn't. We can look at countries that have high levels of gun ownership and also have very low rates of violence, and see that there are real differences in culture. For instance, Finland has very high rates of individual gun ownership (probably because they have a very hostile neighbor), but no mass shootings and very low levels of violence. Switzerland has high rites of gun ownership and allows citizens to have machine guns, and has no mass shootings. At the other end of the spectrum, England and Australia both have rates of violence on par with the US (albeit lower murder rates), and very, very low gun ownership.
I think that wealth inequality and lack of social safety networks are probably the biggest single issue, although systemic racism is certainly a part of it as well. I think that lack of access to health care falls under wealth inequality; while, technically, every has access, most can't afford it. Our criminal "justice" system is also badly flawed; we focus on punishment rather than reform, so we're getting people back out - in many cases- that are worse when they went in.
Which states are taking the weapons you would use for self defense?
California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Hawai'i, New York, Massachussets, New Jersey, and that's just off the top of my head.
Now, can you point out where in the Bruen decision it was stated that the second amendment only applies to handguns intended for self-defense?
The original argument was, 'how will I protect myself."
In a self defense situation I believe a hand gun will suffice.
You believe it will. But that is not always the case. And self defense from what, precisely?
Moreover, self defense was not the reason for 2A. It is a reason, but not the reason. 2A is what allows community activists to band together to protect people giving out food to homeless people, or prevent fascists from beating drag queens that are trying to read stories, because--in both cases--the cops are on the side of the oppressors.
Mm. Ok, but I am much more practical then you are. So, I'm not sure I am equipped to address all your concerns about what rights are being infringed and what a well regulated militia is. What commas go where...
"Well regulated" meant trained. Simple as that. So the people that wrote the constitution were saying that since trained riflemen were critical to winning the revolution, people should be able to keep practicing.
I guess I am a bit more critical then you as well. No worries, we won't reach consensus.
Ridiculous take