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Do you use Signal for chatting securely with friends and loved ones? Us too! We endorse it wholeheartedly, and rely on it for nearly all our communication.

But the vibes are deteriorating here in the US, and we should have a communications contingency plan for if Signal goes down.

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[-] XLE@piefed.social 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

For people who already recognize the Delta Chat brand from years ago, confusion stems from the fact that it's now practically two different things at the same time:

  • An encrypted messaging overlay for email addresses you already have
  • An entirely novel messaging system that uses purpose-built servers incompatible with email

The former can introduce massive problems with metadata if, say, one of your contacts uses a Gmail address with DeltaChat.

And despite basically redefining their ecosystem from the ground up, Delta still hasn't implemented forward secrecy, which I would consider table stakes these days.

Complaints aside:

[S]how us a centralized, end-to-end encrypted Signal alternative that is not backed by venture capital, blockchain, the Saudi royal family, or all three, and we'll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.

This is an entirely fair point. The closest alternative I might consider is SimpleX, but its creator is already pushing people to the Blockchain!

[-] Blaze@piefed.zip 5 points 6 months ago

Indeed, I haven't followed up the history too closely, but it seems like they realized at some point that they couldn't implement privacy with the first option, which is why they switched to the second.

Regarding forward secrecy, seems like they just announced it last week at FOSDEM:

✏️ 2026 update: PFS and PQC are coming soon! The DeltaChat team announced AutoCrypt v2 at FOSDEM

https://blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/deltachat-is-actually-good-though/

https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/3F9VTU-deltachat-chatmail-relays-multi-transport/

[-] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago

I have the opposite problem with knowledge: I followed them closely when they were purely email-based, and I never noticed all the changes they made. They've been tremendous!

Other messaging apps have changed their names, sometimes multiple times, over far less...

[-] Blaze@piefed.zip 3 points 6 months ago

Interesting, that must quite the change!

And yeah, I was also there when Element/Matrix was still Riot.im...

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 4 points 6 months ago

The blockchain thing feels really icky to me, so while I'll keep SimpleX as a plan C, my plan B is Meshtastic or Meshcore.

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