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[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Man, these days you know a hexbear without even looking at the user.

I mean this is complete baloney! You are also using the comparison to establish some kind of “evil slavers vs democracy” narrative that wasn’t in place at all in China during the warlord era. They were all equally horrid.

This is, at best, akin to a war between all states in the US after the Boston Tea Party and a communist state, let’s just pick Arizona, slowly winning the wars and forcing the remaining faction onto Hawaii. Then the socialist party forced anyone who could read, more or less, to work themselves to death in a field in the name of communism. Glory to the people!!!

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

jesus christ read at least one book about the history of the conflict you're describing before you confidently spout nonsense.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree my characterisation is far off the mark. But the poster I responded to wasn’t even in the same galaxy, so I still considered it an improvement.

Also, I’m not Jesus Christ 🤪

[–] Grimble@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do they make redditors in a factory or something

[–] thegreekgeek@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

No, they make Patrick.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So you acknowledge the fact that you don't know shit about the topic you're spouting off on but you still just assume you know better??

[–] randint@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They did not say that they don't know shit about the topic, not even close. They simply said their characterization is far off the marks. That means that their understanding of the conflict is far from perfect, but they absolutely do know shit about it.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They didn't say they were wrong

They just said they were far off the mark

That means their understanding is far from perfect

They absolutely do know their shit

[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

far from perfect can still be good.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

far off the mark

Can it be time for you to shut up yet?

To think that you saw me make fun of you for the game of telephone you played with yourself and decided to take the final translation and defend yourself with it. Way to miss the fucking point. "Far from the mark" was already cope by someone who was simply fucking wrong about what they said.

[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am not going to shut up. I am not going to shut up at anyone's request. I also believe that their comment had a certain degree of truth to it.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Baby brain. "What they said may have been completely false but I still feel like it's true"

Shutting the fuck up at this point isn't a request; it's advice.

[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

update to my previous comment: I decided to not take your advice anyway

[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fine, I might actually take your advice. (don't gloat)

[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

So in your hypothetical analog, a completely made up, random, nonexistent party that never had any relevancy during that time period takes over America, and somehow you know more than OP and that proves china bad

[–] randint@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I agree. People should take how the Chinese government and the US government treat their people into consideration.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] randint@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

How constructive.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So are we gonna talk about how USA has the highest incarceration rate in the world? Are we going to talk about income equality in USA vs China? Are we going to talk about the Concentration camps for refugee children on the USA border? (If you are going to bring up Xinjiang I'm going to need some photographic evidence beyond vibes and zenz doing bad statistical analysis)

[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does incarceration rate have to do with how good the country is? Do you really believe that the income is more equal in China? If you are going to talk about the "concentration camps" on the USA border I'm going to need photo evidence too. Here is a photo of the camp in Xinjiang:

::: spoiler :::

No, this photo is not fake.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does incarceration rate have to do with how good the country is?

not "how good it is" "How it treats its people" America locks up its people way more (531/100k) than other China (119/100k). Is imprisoning people treating them well?

Kids in cages. There's some photo's there and I think you'll probably respect WaPo as a source.

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You can try again but I'm gonna guess that it is just a picture of a building or some prisoners with no context on how many people are there or why they are there.

[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I apologize for saying "how good it is." I was in a rush and couldn't think of a better phrase.

I just read through the article from the Washington Post you linked. That really is bad and I believe that the Trump government should not have treated the (although illegal) immigrants. The grim appearance of that facility really isn't something that the immigrants should have faced when they set foot on the US. However, compare that to the situation in Xinjiang. Here is an opinion post from the Washington Post. What China is doing to its Uyghurs is genocide. Not that it justifies anything that the US have done to its immigrants, but in comparison what the US is doing seem pretty mild.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Life expectancy— how the US government treats its people

[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The life expectancy of China in 2021 was 77.13 - not that much higher than the US.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago