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[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd rather have big fat warning labels than censorship, to be honest. The issue is that many governments and people end up in a spiral of distrust & broken trust (justified or not).

Covid was/is a shitshow though. Where was the world class PsyOps then? Perhaps too busy scaring the hell out of everyone to notice that it might not be the smartest strategy.

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I know you want that. I want to eat cookies for breakfast. Some things just aren't good for you however. Ask any person drowning to death in their own lungs if they were happy they had the freedom to choose to smoke. Given a sober assessment of the situation they would have chosen other than their wants. The world would be better if cigarettes were banned. Their blood is on the hands of the people who gave them freedom they weren't responsible enough to handle. Science has proven we are not fully rational creatures. We have biases and we need to protect and take care of eachother as we can to prevent that from causing harm.

The psyop around covid was to keep people from masks and vaccines. The million plus dead prove that was very successful.

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too many smokers continue to smoke after developing serious symptoms. People continue with poor diets and too little exercise despite their own doctor's advice. We stare at screens for many hours per day. I'd still rather big warnings and community health initiatives than forced exercise/diets/screen-time-limits. Human rights / self determination is important. But organised efforts to appropriately highlight bullshit in public forums isn't bad at all. In both approaches, the Q is how categorization happens, and can it be trusted.

Who was behind the anti-vax/mask psyops campaigns? To me, it seems to have been rolled up together with pro-trump, pro-russia/anti-ukraine, anti-LGBTQ, climate-change-denial streams. At least, these talking points are what a few older people (non-US-based) that I know started repeating. It looks like a giant pot of discontent, with a few usual suspects adding ingredients, no doubt with some profit opportunities along the way.

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except we know that mostly doesn't work. It is weird to me that your preference is to waste resources and not help people.

It is a combination of antivaxx and general pro business types. If covid isn't real you don't need to stay home. You can go back to work and make your boss some money.

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Except we know that mostly doesn't work. It is weird to me that your preference is to waste resources and not help people.

I'm not against effective measures, but I've seen too many kind and well-meaning people make a lot of bad decisions over the years. I think this is often the case for politicians too, for which we expect high standards and judge harshly when they inevitably fail. I like to leave room for people to make mistakes, and the opportunity to admit & correct mistakes.

Maybe we need fewer politicians and petty dictators on soap boxes making claims and promises and more no-nonsense elbow grease bureaucracy, with more direct feedback loops, and KPIs that benefit the population.