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submitted 6 months ago by gedaliyah@lemmy.world to c/firefox@lemmy.world

Noticed this in 148.0 for desktop

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[-] IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip 120 points 6 months ago

Broken record chiming in: it should be opt-in, not opt-out.

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago

I chose to opt out of having Firefox installed. Gave me an opportunity to use the very satisfying but rarely used apt purge function.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 months ago

Waterfox or Librewolf or what you trying now?

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Librewolf, but also have Floorp and Vivaldi installed. How's Waterfox going these days? Feel like I haven't looked at that in ages.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 6 months ago

I havent used it myself but a buddy of mine is really liking it.

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago
[-] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 6 months ago

Waterfox did better consumer advocacy in a single blog post than the entire multimillion-dollar Mozilla Foundation has pumped out over the past two years.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 6 months ago

Oh nice, that good to hear.

[-] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

i liked waterfox until it completely forgot my 2x 50+ tabs windows. yes i know "recently closed windows", they weren't there

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Then that was a "private" window

[-] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

nope, regular tabs. they were fine until they weren't

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 15 points 6 months ago

Broken record 2 chiming in. None of these features do anything unless you use them so they effectively are opt-in. Turning off the settings gets rid of the UI elements that are how you'd use them, which is excellent.

Additionally, a setting to automatically disable future features is a very strong acknowledgement of and empowerment for strongly anti-AI users.

Up until now I have agreed with the crowd upset at how FF as handled AI features, but at this point you are just upset because you want to be.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 10 points 6 months ago

If Mozilla didn't pester you with notifications about AI tab grouping and AI page summaries, congratulations. It's still sapped limited time and resources away from fixing bugs and implementing features that aren't as controversial.

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

They've commented on this. The time spent on this did not "take away from time spent on other things". The features were worked on by a few people who wanted to build those features. From a Mozilla employee in a hacker news thread.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 6 months ago

So Mozilla did not pay the people that worked on, tested, and approved these features?

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I actually couldnt find any public info to back up my comment so maybe a HN comment wasnt enough to go off. But Idk if announcing they partnered with OpenAI to integrate it would even improve things given their current actions.

[-] Feyd@programming.dev -5 points 6 months ago

Can't disagree that I'd rather the time be spent elsewhere, but firefox needs to be a big tent that isn't only targeted to tech savvy or anti AI people. I'll also admit I turned off smart tab group in about:config as soon as I saw it, but rather than "pestering" it was just a button in the tab group UI? I don't even know how to do link previews so it definitely never pestered me there. Local language translation is actively useful and far more desirable that using remote services.

Another point about pulling time away from other development... The same time period these were implemented is also when they finally started doing things people definitely like such as tab groups and vertical tabs so it sure doesn't seem like they're too tight in resources.

Tldr; firefox is for everyone and being mad that they implemented features you don't use is entitled bullshit

[-] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The opposite of pro-AI isn't anti-AI. It's non-AI. Mozilla has a community forum to solicit feedback. Nobody used it to ask for AI. Instead, Mozilla repeatedly used it to announce they were going to push AI features on their community.

People aren't converting to Mozilla because it has AI. They were never going to convert to Mozilla because they added a shopping toolbar, either. These are things that should have never been put into the browser. They're certainly alienating their existing users by trying to bleed them dry, though.

[-] emmy67@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Isn't that what add on are for?

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

I'd like to choose to opt out of Firefox spending donation money on features the community explicitly states that they do NOT want

[-] NightFantom@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago

You also don't use an adblocker I guess?

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago

No idea why you'd think that....

[-] KindnessisPunk@piefed.ca 7 points 6 months ago

Even a opt-in question during set up would be acceptable

[-] Sv443@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

For the other softwares it's opt-go-fuck-yourself, so I'll take an opt-out.

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