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[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Who the fuck calls french monkeys? Frogs maybe, but not a monkey. It's slightly derogatory in some cases, but not the way I think of it, and for a very good reason. (I still probably wouldn't go out of my way to call a French person a frog.)

I learned the French being referenced as frogs from Art Spiegelman’s Maus when I was a kid and it was in a positive context. The way he used animals in his books was brilliant. While the trend obviously started from cats and mice (Nazis and Jews), the use of other animals was super interesting. It kinda flipped the meaning of the terms in a very somber way.

I can't quite put my finger on it, or even put words to it, but expressing the slang as actual characters is something to take very seriously in its underlying meaning. Regardless, Spiegelman didn't pull any punches when it came to showing how nasty people could actually be.

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Cheese eating surrender monkeys" was a well-known insult during the 2000's for several years after France refused to help the US attack Iraq. The whole freedom fries period.

[–] timeghost@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So fucked up, I mean, why bring cheese into this?

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I mean, France does eat cheese, that part is accurate.

[–] MattBlackAlien@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] ODuffer@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

(Not to be confused with monkey hangers/ape hangers/monkey bars, which are also terms for excessively tall handle bars on motorcycles.)

[–] WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

Monkey bars are playground equipment about 5 feet off the ground for children to swing from.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 8 points 3 months ago

I mean these are all jokes but I've definitely heard surrender monkey (primarily from Simpsons now that I think about it, which was also clearly in jest)