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[–] Deyis@beehaw.org 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I genuinely have a hard time believing that someone trained to do CPR would refuse to do so because touching the boob of a stranger is too scary.

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At least in Germany every driver has to get certified once before they get their driving license. So not everybody who is licensed is a professional, rather the opposite here. Its everyday common folk.

[–] Deyis@beehaw.org 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think I may be too autistic to fully understand this; even as everyday common folk, they're more scared of touching a boob than letting someone die an entirely preventable death? That's bananas.

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Panic can turn off the rational part of someone's brain. Plus freshly pulseless people don't look all that different than they did a minute ago.

Add in some agonal breathing and some people don't grasp how serious the situation is.

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're error in logic is in thinking that it is a conscious decision between "not letting them die" and "not touching their boobs". In reality those who are too scared to touch are those that don't have a good analysis of the situation in the first place.

For those people it's a "probably it's not as bad as I think, because nobody else is doing anything either" thing. The problem is exactly that they don't know how bad it really is. If they knew, most would not actively pet people die. It's exactly the ambiguity and inability to correctly assess the situation that hurts the person who needs help.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Adding to your points, the other thing is that people default to what they've been trained to do. Especially in emergencies which can be sressful and confusing. The best thing to do is to do something, and once you start to help, you will fall back on your training.

We typically train on vaguely male, shirtless manikins, or infant manikins. So any situation different than that is going to take slightly more time for the human being to assess the situation, recall their training, and make the connections to how to act "in real life" vs the training.

E.g., in my training, we did compressions on an inanimate bare chest manikin on the floor until the AED arrives. In a real life scenario, the person may be clothed, "gasping" for breath, maybe on a bed or sofa, so we'll have to adapt to real life -- move them to a solid surface, recognize that this is not true breathing, do cpr on them immediately with their shirt on, and deal with clothes if we get an AED later.

If the person had breasts, that is just one more way the real scenario is different from the training scenario. Or if you are about to apply AED pads, but there's a bra in the way. That's not in the training scenario, so people will have to think what to do. Ideally we should make training as close as possible to what people will experience

They make manikins now that come in a little sweater where you have to unzip it in order to apply the AED pads to the chest, i think those are great.

Unfortunately re: male, female, or enby manikins, most of the people i would be teaching would probably absolutely lose their minds if they saw a manikin with fake bare breasts, but I'm hoping to someday live in a society where this is not the case.