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[–] flamboyantkoala@programming.dev 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Agile in it’s current implementation with excessive meetings wastes more time than the mistakes it tries to avoid.

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blame management for that. I implemented Scrum in a project that I took over without any changes to the framework and it is great. We are able to keep a healthy work life balance, no overtime, good relationship between the product and the engineering team, and the most important thing is on time feature delivery.

[–] flamboyantkoala@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting you prioritized pointing out on time delivery as opposed to maximum value.

Hits a sore spot, I’ve delivered a lot of useless stuff on time with agile teams. We could have been useless even faster without the meetings.

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Hey, the one responsible to maximize the value is the Product Owner, not the devs. We're only responsible in taking the PBIs in the backlog that's ordered based on value and delivering it. Whether it is really valuable or not is the responsibility of the Product Owner.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Not an Agile issue, but a "people fucking up Agile" issue. The priesthood of MBAs will adopt whatever terms people like and just hammer them into place to keep doing the same old shit.

We tried baseball and it didn't work.

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that take really that hot though?

[–] flamboyantkoala@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Say it in standup with management in the room and watch the response

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You're right about that though

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Didn't realize that was the standard for a hot take. There's lots of universally accepted bs whose unmasking would only draw gasps at a meeting with management. And even then, the surprise would mainly be at the balls of the person saying it, not at some reality being shattered.