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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 115 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

please just make an android alternative

I want a phone that isn't a closed ecosystem race to the bottom shit phone

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 66 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There are, but the market is rigged by monopolists. And things like banks increasingly require apps that won't even run on customer Android ROMs easily.

The regulators are needed here.

[–] lemmysmash@piefed.social 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The problem with regulators is that they a) gladly suck corporate dicks, b) gladly opt-in for the same authoritarian methods of population control, and c) gladly ignore common sense altogether.

[–] karlhungus@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 weeks ago

"a" has a name: regulatory capture.

Regulators have in the past fulfilled their role, they've just been hamstrung.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 4 points 2 weeks ago

That is also because we let the companies get too big. We need to break them up. The market is completely dysfunctional. It is feudalism right now.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

All of the alternatives eventually run into the same "Will my banking app work on it?" problem. The absence of a healthy app economy is the one thing that can't be fixed by throwing software engineers at it, and it is what caused the death of Windows Phone.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 weeks ago

my banking app already doesn't work on my phone, because it doesn't like termux:x11 and an autoclicker i have installed for an idle game

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They should work in a browser no?

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Not for things like check deposits, unfortunately

[–] Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it 8 points 2 weeks ago

@PabloSexcrowbar @anon_8675309 When my bank _doesn't_ allow check deposits via website, I will switch banks. Ain't installing a stupid app for a _bank_ of all things, and why would I bank from a device that I could accidentally lose at the grocery store?

[–] homik@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 weeks ago

Well, that's fine since it isn't 1982 anymore. Right?

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Many banks require apps for 2FA. This varies greatly by country.

[–] cactus_head@programming.dev 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There are open source 2FA. They require like specific apps OTP or something else?

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You have to use the bank's own app to 2FA.

[–] Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

So you can use the website in your browser but still have the have their app installed for 2fa? That's peak bullshit there.

Google reCaptcha is going to have a similar requirement for accesing half the bloody internet once that goes through. In summary, I think we are fucked.

[–] Shumina@lemmus.org 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

God I fucking LOVED my windows phone. Nokia body, windows OS, and no one fucked with making viruses because eleventeen people bought one in total.

[–] DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

🤣 Man… that phone from The Saint with the slide out full sized keyboard though. Peek Nokia.

[–] xelar@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Lumias before Microsoft' acquisition were adorable phones.

[–] DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

Right. It wasn’t the zune guy, limited adoption, Microserfs killing the platform after 7 years or a general lack of interest, a climate of distrust after 10 years of garbage operating systems with new logos and the same Windows NT internals…

[–] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

I feel like that won't be enough. Google is working on locking down the entire internet unless you can pass their reCaptcha with a verified device. See this article related to GrapheneOS and their reCaptcha concerns.

Sites need to stop using reCaptcha or we are all doomed anyway.

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The issue is the hardware, we already have software

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We already have the hardware too

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 points 2 weeks ago

Not ours, we depend on it

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

OK but that is about a 10000x bigger project

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm pretty sure that custom roms will remove that 24hr wait period from their binaries. Android is still open source and removing a check isn't going to be very hard for them.

The tech ecosystem is as open as you can. Use linux. Use SearxNG. Use graphene or other custom roms. There's options out there, you just have to start adopting them instead of just complaining online about having no choice.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Not everybody has a choice. I'm currently on grapheneos, but it looks like I may be forced back to android due to national ID requirements.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

I guess one solution to that is to have a second used or ultra low cost phone just for your personal ID and banking stuff. But then it's no longer really mobile lol.

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If your country forces you on a locked down OS for ID requirements, something is wrong entirely. You should absolutely make some noise against that and urge them to allow custom OS. That's a political issue, not a technical.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not going to go anywhere in my country, unfortunately. Not even a blip on the radar.

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Shit country tbh. You might be able to get a cheap stock android device for your ID and your "actual" device keeps living the good life on a custom rom. Idk how feasible that is for your lifestyle tho.

[–] Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Google reCaptcha enters the chat.

This whole APK dicussion is important, but Google is taking steps to lock down the bloody internet if you aren't on a verified iOS or Android device. This will be far reaching going way beyond the APK changes.

related article

[–] DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Rejoice. As an Android owner, you have options of And-nodroid 😉