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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

Like chicken said, I'm struggling to imagine how a better install process would enable corporate capture.

[-] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 3 months ago

If you don't know how to interact with the backup internet sovereignly, if you require a company as a middle man, that middle man has a degree of power over you.

That degree only grows as the tech becomes more complex. Requiring more people to use more middle men, etc, etc

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If you don’t know how to interact with the backup internet sovereignly, if you require a company as a middle man

Dude, I'm talking about making the installation process easier. In no moment I said or even implied to introduce any sort of middle man, specially not a corporation. Is this clear now?

Unless you're assuming = bullshitting that a bloody script to check "Is pip installed? If not install it. Is pip in the right version? If not, update it. Okay, now install Reticulum, plus some very basic programs to use with it" necessarily means "introducing a corporation into the system". Do you?

I'm saying this because, as it stands now, this shit provides exactly ZERO freedom for most people. Zero. Because for most people, saying "run pip install rns" and saying "glksdf fsdklfsdkjfds fdskdvksgjdfg" is the exact same.

And I get the developers still need to iron the rough edges out, including a more approachable installation process, so I don't blame them. However, to defend the current user-unfriendliness as "necessary", like you are doing, is effectively the same as saying "the majority of the human population is subhuman cattle, things that don't deserve freedom. Let those things eat pasture in their walled gardens; while WE, the chosen ones, the 500P4 1337 h4x0rz, deserve it." Yes, it's that bad.

[-] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 0 points 3 months ago

I mean almost the opposite of that. I mean that clearly we need to teach people how to engage with the internet in a sovereign way or else they are going to just eventually be captured again by opportunistic capitalists.

You keep saying "the developers" or implying that someone ELSE out there should be responsible for making this easier, which is the part I find baffling.

People are currently out there doing that, it's getting better every day because people are building new solutions.

If you want something to change for the better within this ecosystem then it YOU that needs to do it, or at least you are certainly empowered to do it.

You passively waiting for SOMEONE ELSE to make a solution for you is the problem. If that someone else is a hobbyist who builds foss software for fun, the risks are pretty low and the chances of you reverse engineering and understanding of what's going on are pretty high.

If you are waiting for a polished radio button to click that unfolds the second internet cleanly in front of you, I would argue you are basically waiting for a corporate solution where someone is going to want compensation from you for your efforts. Which is also TOTALLY FINE.

the issue is, when those corporate solutions grow and become less transparent and more necessary for the average user, that's how we get the CURRENT internet.

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