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What would you think about learning Pascal, or Ada instead of C? They are also low enough to be useful to explain everything, but have more guard rails. (and without being the latest fad that Rust is)
Pascal was the language for teaching when I learned to code. Then Assembly X86, C, and Java. Pascal is solid.
@bluGill @rimu @apparia pascal is what I was taught in school to learn how to code
From the perspective of this thread they're probably similarly good and "deep". My instinct would be to err away from anything object oriented for beginners since OOP has always felt a little cultish to me and I think it's maybe something "shallow" (at least shallower than plain C) that has a habit of masquerading as the one true "deep" way to do programming.
C also has the practical advantage of being fucking everywhere.
I like Rust, but beyond the subset that is "ugly C" -- using
unsafeeverywhere and eschewing like 90% ofstd-- it's definitely shallow.