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I don't want to say about the frequency or which way is more effective, but there have been nonviolent revolutions. Wikipedia even has a page about it. It took me only a few seconds of searching to find it.
So, the comic author is mocking people who make conclusions without actually looking at the data, and meanwhile, they seem to have written the comic making the opposite conclusion ironically without actually looking at the data, either.
It would be so nice if things were always one way or always another way, and people love to assume that their common sense and existing knowledge will be enough to make conclusions, but the comic is right in that regard. If you tell other people your conclusions but you haven't done the research, you really do open yourself up to looking foolish.... Not that it seems like most people care about that these days.
That section of the Wikipedia page is pretty weird looking right off the bat. The first two are the cedar in Lebanon and the Mirabal sisters which are circumstances that are hard to call nonviolent.
The cedar revolution can only be called nonviolent if you disregard the 01 protest wave that preceded it and established with violence that everyone was actually on the side of ending syrian occupation and not having car bomb attacks all the god damned time.
And el jefe was fucking assassinated by the military at international urging. That’s not nonviolent!
I didn’t look any further but it really seems like a bad list that’s written with incredibly rose-colored glasses.
The article states what it considers a nonviolent revolution. It doesn't mean there was zero bloodshed, but that the actual parties that were trying to take power did not use or threaten violence.
Even if you disagree with their definition or believe that they gave a bad example, I imagine that you wouldn't find the entire list objectionable.
There are only 7 examples in the whole list.
A very useful tactic in this specific situation.
when you find counter examples to the premise you stop since the premise is demonstrably incorrect.
The entire list is counter-examples, even the ones they mentioned. I am guessing that they simply disagree with the definition given by Wikipedia. They seem to be claiming that violence prior to a revolution by somebody else who wasn't part of the party that came into power, but which weakened the authority, is disqualifying as a nonviolent revolution.
If they don't like Wikipedia's definition, then they can mention that. But it's impossible to argue against a premise that they didn't even specify. They didn't give substantive anything to argue against, so what would I even be arguing? Like I said, unless they state their specific problem, in my view, the entire list, even the ones they mentioned, are what you'd call counter-examples. They haven't given a better definition of a nonviolent revolution.
If you want an example where there was no violence at all by anybody, even unrelated parties, and again, the list is only 7 entries long, just look at the June Democratic Struggle, which is the fourth in the list. Two after they stopped looking further, and I think 4 more than you looked at.
You write entirely dishonest trite! That 'revolution' was preceded by the Gwangju Uprising, a massacre. The protestors retaliated with violence. It is this history--the threat of violence--that underpins ANY political power. There are no peaceful revolutions. Anyone who attempts to frame something as peaceful to prove that there is such a thing looks at an event myopically and dishonestly.
Read your own fucking articles. There's nothing peaceful about killings and torture.
The simple fact is the there are almost no examples of non-violent revolutions. Almost every single revolution has violence as a component of it. it doesnt matter if a particular group within the wider populace (ghandi) was non-violent they were uplifted by the actions of the violent groups if only to offer an alternative group to 'negotiate' with.
the simple fact is: revolutions dont occur unless violence is necessary, after all if violence wasnt necessary the changes would have been made long before the revolution grew legs cropped up.
You asked for an example with zero violence. I gave you that example. And you barely acknowledge it, first saying there are "almost no examples," but then go on to ignore it completely and say that "revolutions don't occur unless violence is necessary." If you had already made up your mind and decided to ignore any contrary evidence, you shouldn't have asked for counter-examples.
I wasn't even trying to argue for nonviolent revolutions, only to say that the tiniest bit of effort shows that they have occurred. At any rate, I don't think you're the kind of person I want to continue interacting with. So, bye. I'm finished with this particular exchange.
right but that doesn’t change the fact the results are bleak