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idk it's my first time (kind of) trying to do dataviz, I thought the original post was super interesting but like other comments said, it was hard to read.

I think in a way it's mostly because defederation is complex to show as links, since it is the break of said link, but hopefully this type of graph is better ?

you do lose the "group" of instances view, though (and also I did not bother with per instance MAU as raw number + percentage, or sofware used)

let me know what you think!

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It doesn't even Include https://lemmy.today/ that has no defederation or blocking at all, and has never had, since the admin feels it's up to the user and not the admin to decide these things. You know, free and open internet, remember?

Also one of the best themes of all Lemmy instances if you ask me.

[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You gotta ask the OOP about that, but my guess is, in a graph that shows instances that defederate, why include an instance that doesn't?

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago

I see your point I guess. Perhaps defederation is something that users want, and then they are happy to see who does it the most?

Im not like that myself, but I can see the point.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

why include an instance that doesn’t?

Because it lets you see how common or uncommon defederations are relative to the total set of all instances (or at least, all minus the long tail of very-low-user-count ones). And although it would make the graph larger, it would also make it sparse and IMO that would also be easier to read.

It could also give a misleading impression that all instances defederate or are defederated by somebody, making people think it's more common than it actually is. (Or maybe not doing that, if you include all^ish^ instances and it still ends up being not very sparse.)

[–] Pika@hikki.team 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Came here to say that!

I can't comprehend why people would join instances in the list. If you don't like a particular instance, just hop into the user settings and block it! Why let others set your blocklist?

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Pika@hikki.team 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Doesn't take much normally. But still, I think Lemmy would surely benefit from adding custom filter lists that users can enable or disable at will.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The first and most obvious is that (last I checked on Lemmy) per-user instance blocks only block posts, not comments. This means that for truly spammy instances (cough Hexbear cough) it requires an instance-wide block to achieve.

Secondly, I would argue it is the same as any other reason to choose an instance. That being, I have to generally like the vibe and agree with the way it's run. For example, I have to agree with the instance rules and trust the admins to moderate them. This is an extension of that.

In the case of lemmy.ca specifically, I would say every major defederation I know of has been cast to a community vote and has had solid reasoning behind it. It comes back to trust and matching opinions: I (currently) trust the admin team to have reasonable defederations as they have matched or been similar to my opinions in the past.

I enjoy not having to self-moderate my experience outside of individual users or rare cases. Choosing an instance that generally aligns with your views allows your admin team to do some moderation for you.

[–] Pika@hikki.team 2 points 1 week ago

Might be frontend-dependent, but it's certainly an issue if comments are not filtered the same way.

Otherwise, alright, I see your point!

[–] T4V0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Besides ideology, preferences, bot filtering, or content, there’s also the matter of blocking things like CSAM, gore, etc. Lemmy proposes to not only factor in user preferences but also to properly curate the content via its moderators.

[–] Pika@hikki.team 1 points 1 week ago

Honestly, that's one thing I've never ever seen on the Fediverse, while having seen plenty in conventional social media.

It's fair that some moderation action might be necessary going forward, but I don't see this problem exist at a current scale.