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[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you actually look at the cost of labor and materials to build a house today, its not far off. The difference you see is the cost of allowing enormous corporate development companies to exist and do business in this country. The false scarcity on top is a product of the greed that keeps people out of housing to begin with.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Tell me you haven't looked at the price of construction material without telling me you haven't looked a t price of construction material.

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I have recently had an estimate made for materials to construct a 1200 square ft home and it was a little over 135k. Add in labor and its looking like $175-200k. Compare that to the $800k starter homes in the area and you see a huge disconnect.

[–] Tja@programming.dev -2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Tell us more once it's completed. And don't forget to add the land.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

@kinggimpicus did the math, he did the mortgage math

https://www.thecostbreakdown.com/average-cost-per-square-foot-build-house-us/

Average construction cost $183 sqft, 1,200 sqft Cost $219,600

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Keep moving your goal posts, straw man. The rest of us are actually making progress.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's not how fallacies work....

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You attacked me for not knowing the price for construction materials, implying that my statement of the cost of homes being close to the $138K in the OP was way off. Then I showed i knew what I was talking about, and your argument became land price and hidden costs of construction. Thats exactly what a straw man does. You move the goalposts and create a new argument instead of addressing how you got called out on your bullshit.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago

A quote is never what you end up paying, there's always changes, delays, "unexpected problems", etc. I built a house 2 years ago, if you don't budget for at least 20% above the quote you will have serious problems.

Then you compared the cost of materials with a finished house on a plot of land, I guess the mistake there is quite obvious, no?

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's just moving the goalposts. A straw man is when one misrepresents their opponent's argument as something weaker.

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Its all gaslighting at the end of the day. I dont draw much distinction between the flavors.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago

You cannot gaslight someone on the internet.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Why don't you run back to your motte and bailey, you ad hominem?

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago

I'm not a true Scotsman, I can't do that!

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Depends on where you live and what your building.

In some areas you need a full foundation on others it may not be necessary

Don't need a garage? Then you save money just having an exposed asphalt driveway

Cellar? Fireplace? Attic? Even a 1000 square foot home has a lot of variation in design and material requirements

If anything I'd say it's the labor that drives the price into the stratosphere. But even that varies county to county, even more so state to state.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago

Labor varies a lot, construction materials are expensive as hell everywhere.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

1000 ft₂ ≈ 93 m₂ for those concerned.

I don't think it's the labour costs, but rather the enormous tariffs that landlords and estate agents demand.