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Goddamn you lot like your false dichotomies.
Just because Israel has ties to the European far right, doesn't mean that Russia doesnt.
There's ample proof that Russia has funded and supported numerous far right personalities, exactly the same ones mentioned by Israel.
It's not mutually exclusive for both Israel and Russia to have ties to them - both countries are, after all, far right authoritarian states barely pretending to be democracies, which is exactly what people like LePen and Farage are trying to install in their countries. It is of course why Trump loves them so much, as that is exactly where he is at.
I assume, but I haven't seen proof that there are strong ties between Russia & Israel - I've seen a lot of persuasive evidence that falls short of proof (relationships between Mossad and what used to be KGB go back to well before the fall of the USSR).
It is identical to saying "Elon Musk appeared in reform UK and AfD rallies so Israel is innocent". Anyone who uses such a weak argument to absolve a goverment of their crimes is probably already a devotee to one side and can not be trusted to discuss this topic.
It is already well established that many right wing influencers and billionaires have ties to Russia. What is not so clear is whether if it is to Russian oligarchs or the government directly. I would assume even if the governent, Putin is better at covering his tracks than the idiot OP mentioned or Elon Musk who casts his face on giant screens in extreme right wing rallies (because he needs attention and validation). So he will have atleast a couple of layers of proxies between him and them.
Thank you, i do not have much more to add. All those far-right assholes regardless if from Israel, Russia, US and probably China are trying to destabilize Europe because they do not want them to be a global player, and they are doing a pretty good job.
Yeah, there's absolutely no doubt China is quietly dabbling, and as the other poster loudly notes, the Yanks are elbow deep in causing trouble here too
Does anyone have any tangible evidence or news articles about China? If they are, they are covering their tracks really good.
I don't warrant the accuracy of this info, but a quick search shows the following
https://ecfr.eu/publication/borrowed-mouths-and-laundered-messages-chinas-influence-playbook-in-europe/
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20240404STO20215/foreign-interference-how-parliament-is-fighting-the-threat-to-eu-democracy
https://kinacentrum.se/en/publications/chinas-foreign-election-interference-an-overview-of-its-global-impact/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections
https://www.cfr.org/articles/election-2024-chinas-efforts-interfere-us-presidential-election
thanks will have a look at these
ps: I generally trust wikipedia because they don't go out of their way to please any particular super power. People who call it western propaganda clearly haven't read Wikipedia articles about Gaza or US
LOL. I'm in the UK mate. Don't call me a Yank thanks.
I'm no fan of them either, and yes, US billionaires are also slinging money at the local fash, but that's a relatively recent phenomenon - it started with the Russians, and the rest jumped on from there as far as I can tell, if you have some facts feel free to table them though.
Maaaate, England has been ruled by barely organised crime for a millenium.
when people say Russia they don't mean the whole of Russia as a country that much should be obvious. All the blame obviously goes to oligarchs and likely the goverment of Russia who uses them as a proxy.
Because literally your entire argument bar one point was predicated on the (incorrect) assumption that I was a hypocritical Yank who was blind to the "log in his own eye". Your entire position unravels when that thread is pulled
Not a Yank, and not a logical statement anyway I didnt mention the Americans and their fall into fascism at all, so I can't logically be accused of trying to pin that on someone else when it didnt get discussed
True but irrelevant to the discussion of Israel and Russian backing of European fascists
I'm not sure the original post claimed that, but I certainly never said that
Now that's partly true, Israel wouldn't exist without the trillions that the US has given them however the vast majority came from the US taxpayers though, not the billionaires - they don't like parting with money as a rule.
Utterly irrelevant to the discussion of who is cosied up with the fash in Europe, it doesn't really matter whether it was the Bibinazi or the Trumpynazi who decided they wanted to bomb Iran
And I kept the best till last
Not even a little bit close. There's massive amounts of documentation on this - Farage and LePen with their grubby little paws out and getting caught taking Russian money both directly and then indirectly via crypto, not to mention the Hungarian dictator soaking up grants from the EU that were supposed to build infrastructure and redirecting it into funding the other far right wingers. Even as far as US billionaires go Muskrat is miles behind Thiel and Ellison (for example, although there's plenty of others). Elmo is just as subtle as brick through a window and gets the attention, but if you follow the money, he's a tight arse.
I agree with you on that: US Russia and China, (and Israel), are authoritarian countries ruled by autocracies/oligarchies, or as as I prefer kakistocracy (shit lords).
The billionaires and the 1% most certainly don't have our best interests at stake and are actively working to reduce the 99% to slaves or at the least serfs.
I have zero positivity about the US but you have to understand the process that got us here in order to best fight it. If you ignore Russia and China's political meddling and only rail against the Yanks you will get blindsided. Israel are lapdogs of US with a bad attitude and more influence than they deserve, don't ignore them or they'll bite us like a rabid Jack Russell terrier.
Many many surveys show that the majority of Europeans don't see the US as an ally any more, the only exceptions are the ones caught in the far right bubble.
The real danger is our politicians are easily influenced by bribes both direct and indirect (jobs after their political career finishes), and that's our big exposure - you only have to look at the repeated attempts to bring in the Chat Control legislation so the US tech bros can surveil us - they kept re-attempting it until the snuck it through when EU MPs had gone on recess a day early.
And yet they did. 9 months ago (AfD) and 15 months (MEP's various including BSW) - first two hits on a search - I seem to recall the Hungarians doing a visit before they got ousted as well
https://www.reuters.com/world/far-right-german-mps-visit-russia-scrutiny-moscow-ties-mounts-2025-11-06/
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/08/european-parliament-members-plan-moscow-trip-for-victory-day-commemorations-a89012
EDIT to add - forgot to address the second point - Europeans don't trust the US at all and it has been a meteoric slump from very positive to very negative
Only 1 in 10 Europeans see US as an ally
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/10/only-one-in-10-europeans-now-see-us-as-an-ally-survey-suggests
https://www.dw.com/en/only-1-in-10-europeans-see-us-as-an-ally-study/a-77489708