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[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Being prepared means more than just voting.

Since Trump was allowed to turn ICE into an extremely well funded military that answers to him and doesn't swear to uphold the Constitution things could get very bad very quickly even if the Democrats sweep the midterms completely.

If the Trump admin wrote that last illegal executive order giving him imaginary power to revoke citizenship with forcing an R majority in congress or 'fixing' a total loss in the midterms... what happens if very quickly and quietly he writes that the members of Congress born in other countries or who have a parent from another country he terms an "enemy" are no longer US Citizens and before it's announced sends large numbers of ICE goons to apprehend them?

That wouldn't even be using ICE outside the reason it was created. It would be the President who fully controls ICE making an official sounding decree that these people are now effectively illegal immigrants and sending ICE to kidnap them.

[–] Hawanja@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump's executive orders to that effect are essentially meaningless, and are being challenged & knocked down in the courts. But to your scenario, if that were to actually happen that's when going beyond the law would be justified.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What the courts say very clearly doesn't matter much to ICE.

If it was done quickly and quietly the best case scenario would probably be Congress failing to do anything about it. Worst case he declares the radical leftist terrorists "taking over" a national emergency and has enough of the Democrats black bagged into ICE concentration camps to give the Republicans a super majority, and then Congress votes to approve the president's actions and authorize US military to support and putting down any insurrection of those radical leftists followers that happened to take place in the country.

Deciding that's the point at which you feel it's justified to go "beyond the law" would likely be a bit late.

[–] Hawanja@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean a court decision may not matter much to a victim of ICE, yes. Fighting in the courts is one avenue of attack.
But what I mean by this, is that every executive order that Trump has done so far to try and steal the election has been overturned. Executive oder 14248 (The one which attempted to force ID for voting) has been permanently blocked into taking effect. His other executive order 14399 (which tried to stop mail in voting) has also been blocked nationwide. Even if these somehow are fast-tracked to the Supreme court and the assholes rule in favor of Trump, the midterms are less than three months away, there's no way for them to be implemented in time. Essentially his attempt to take over the elections through executive order has been thwarted.

Now, will he do what you predict, and send his goons to sieze ballots, arrest democrats, and just do a full on coup d'état? Well possibly (hopefully not.) But seeing how Jan.6th went for him I somehow doubt it. But if this (unlikely event imo) were to happen, it wouldn't be "too late" to fight back, that's when the real fight begins.

I mean if you're just asking for violent revolution beforehand to overthrow the fascists and destroy the exploitative system, etc all, regardless of the election, well good luck with that. I don't think you'll get any normies on board with overthrowing the government "just because."

And I say "just because," as that's how normie John Q. Taxpayer looks at it. Those are the people you'll need on board to be successful, and they're not going to go along with it, even if it's justified. The crimes and corruption and exploitation this government engages is angers people like you and me, but to regular people all they care about is their job, and how much Gas is per gallon, and if they can pay rent next month. You'll have zero success motivating these people to approve of your revolution without some kind of an event, Like say Trump doing a coup.