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What's the point of PieFed trying "accountability" features on how people vote but not the reactions? (lemmy.nz)

submitted 1 day ago by thewal@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/piefed_meta@piefed.social

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Just in case it hasn't been discussed yet, votes may not have binary exact meaning but reactions does

From retrofed and piefed.social how this user is trying to be sneaky

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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

In all likelihood Lemmy has lost a lot more than that. The older lemmynsfw.com struggled to report its stats for a long while so I am not sure how well those MAUs are represented in the total Lemmy counts, but when looking at them directly it's gone from 3335 MAUs in August 2025 down to 161 in August 2026, which is nearly twice the number you mentioned regarding Lemmy's loss and that is merely one instance.

Also I don't see lemm.ee anywhere in the Fediverse Observer either, which probably means that the total Lemmy counts today include none of their subscriber numbers from before they shut down? (I suppose it would depend upon how those are calculated - among all known, current instances, including their pasts?) And it was a top-5 one too, along with Lemmynsfw.com that iirc might have been #2 after Lemmy.world (which tracks given the numbers I mentioned earlier and current subscriber counts, e.g. what that site refers to as the current #2 sh.itjust.works has a mere 2296 so is half again smaller).

Then fedinsfw.app's MAU gains correlates well with Lemmynsfw.com's loss, while Lemm.ee's demise spread people out more to multiple instances.

Though the Threadiverse overall is still shrinking. We used to have sth like 65k at the peak after the Rexodus, or you might say more justifiably a more stable 55k, vs. today's "mere" 35+7k. And Mbin has ~1k MAUs total, half on a single instance.

You could argue more activity I suppose, or more enjoyable style of posting or some such, but I don't see the Threadiverse growing, I see it shrinking, even if the rate of loss has lessened as of late.

PieFed has exploded though within the past year, yes. Even if that does not match the rate of Lemmy's longer-term decline.

[–] Dave 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I was only referring to the last 12 months. Lemmy lost some significant chunk in previous years, but that was expected after huge surges of people trying it out.

Lemm.ee shut down halfway through 2025 which is now more than 12 months ago.

I don't think you can say the fediverse is shrinking. The peak was after a surge of interest from Reddit and most people at the time were expecting to retain 10-20% if we were lucky. That surge has come and gone and now the Threadiverse is organically growing, IMO.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

It seems like we have lost many people that were here for several years, who talk with great vitriol about us on other social media platforms, while on the other hand we pick up new joiners each time Reddit cranks up the thumb screws again.

e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1vqtor2/what_are_some_good_reddit_alternatives/ asks about a Reddit alternative, in which the top reply mentions the Threadiverse, but then the top comment is:

Problem of the Fediverse is that it has too many redditors, and too few decent people. No matter instance you'll get the same sort of insufferable and entitled whiner, looking for a reason to screech at each other.

Because of that, the Fediverse is a good alternative if your issue is the Reddit administration. But if you got enough of this userbase (like OP, note how they talk about "Rude People"), it isn't.

And this is not a one-off - pretty much every discussion about Lemmy is this way. I found this particular one by searching for "Reddit Lemmy" and restricting the results to the past month.(https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Reddit+lemmy&df=m&t=h_&ia=web) where this was the first result after discounting those about the singer. Every time I do this search it always shows comments like this, as the very top (most upvoted) ones.

Personally I would argue that Reddit is worse in this regard in so many ways, but I suppose if you are comparing niche subs there with the larger communities here (bc we barely have any niche communities), then that does seem to track.

PieFed has solved the onboarding problem, but Lemmy / the Threadiverse has an enormous image problem. People try to respectfully discuss the topic but I would say that it is far from solved now.

[–] Dave 1 points 57 minutes ago

I guess I am fine with slow steady growth rather than everyone wanting to jump over.

One thing I think is that you need to use Lemmy in a certain way. I remember reddit not clicking for me until Digg forced my hand, and that event likely irreparably changed the reddit crowd.

We probably have some way to go before we can solve the problem but somehow we need to teach people to aggressively block (people, communities, instances) that they don't want to see.

Or something I think is important, the ability and willingness to just stop replying when the conversation is no longer constructive.