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[-] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I think it's more that we (officially) didn't know any better. It's not like we started storing it safely in land based disposal sites, then took a brief break to dump it in the ocean, and then came back to land based. For instance, this is what the US Navy did with part of the first Seawolf, SSN-575. Nowadays we weld up the reactors and bury them in Eastern Washington. Absolutely more expensive to do it this way, and also an incredible amount safer. The rules and regulations we abide by today are built on the learning from mistakes made during the 50s.

[-] zip@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

For instance, this is what the US Navy did with part of the first Seawolf, SSN-575.

Here's the referenced bit for anyone curious:

On 18 April 1959, the Navy disposed of the radioactive S2G plant by sealing it in a 30-foot (9.1 m) high stainless steel containment vessel, towing it out to sea on a barge, and then sinking the barge at a point about 120 miles (190 km) due east of Maryland in 9,100 feet (2,800 m) of water. Twenty-one years later, the Navy was unable to relocate the container, but said that the radioactive materials inside should decay before the containment vessel deteriorated.

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nah, people knew better... they just didnt care. We're talking about the same people that smoked abestos filtered cigarettes and filled their cars with leaded gas.

[-] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Asbestos is an amazing mineral. It is phenomenal as a fire retardant material, which is why it got so widespread. It took time and studies for us to truly understand exactly what the repercussions to using it are, and then implement appropriate controls (and phase it out). Similar with leaded gasoline (although maybe less so, depending on how complicit the oil companies were).

In any case, with all three of these things, it's not like we instantly knew how bad for us and the environment they are and how to appropriately handle them. There's a very constant iterative process to improving safety standards. Those barrels were likely dumped in the sea because we knew the contents could be harmful to humans. We neglected the environmental impacts because those weren't as highly prioritized, studied, or cared about. Processes change over time, and huge progress is seldom realized overnight.

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

Just like the oil companies knew about the effects of burning oil would have on the global climate. The Abestos industry absolutely knew the dangers for a very long time. So again. They do not care if it means less money to be made.

[-] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Would love to see proof of this, rather than just conjecture.

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago
[-] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I see a lot of "allegedly" in that article without any resolution. The government claims the companies knew since the 30s, but they say otherwise, and the article doesn't seem to include proof either way. I'm not surprised the government would allege that either, as the alternative is yet more evidence of how poorly run NNSY was (and frankly still is).

As an anecdote, we still find asbestos on ships built in that era. It'll be another several decades until we stop finding it.

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Obviously a article on a new lawsuit would say 'allegedly' because the case was still ongoing at the time...

Also, it shouldnt suprise anyone the government from trying to shift blame when they knew it was dangerous long before then as well. Simply they could no longer keep covering up the huge mess they made. Doesnt mean their facts were wrong, but simply omitted themselves from them.

https://www.asbestos.com/featured-stories/cover-up/

It'll be another several decades until we stop finding it.

Considering its still legal in some applications...

[-] jaycifer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Not knowing better about two unrelated things means they did know better about a third, unrelated thing?

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

All the examples were well known to be dangerous by the early 1900s. If we were talking about late 19th century, sure we can say it was plain ignorance... but 1950's? Theres no excuse.

[-] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Sometimes you gotta compare multiple risks. Like, for example, lung irritation caused by asbestos, compared to, say, the lung irritation that comes with dying in a fire. Or the value of getting more than two miles to the gallon while needing to replace half your engine every hundred miles.

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