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[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago

Do Americans really just say cheese pizza instead of Margherita?

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 69 points 6 days ago

Those are different things

[-] apex32@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago

In my experience in America, "cheese pizza" usually means shredded mozzarella spread evenly over the pizza while "Margherita style" means chunks of fresh mozzarella.

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

In the UK Margherita literally just means cheese on a pizza, regardless of the type of cheese from what I can tell. Obviously some places do the more fancy mozzarella blobs but most places it's just grated cheese (usually still mozzarella though)

[-] zikzak025@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago

Seems like the UK has it wrong on the name, then. The margherita pizza I am familiar with has large slices of mozzarella, a chunky tomato sauce, and basil on top.

Ordering a margherita pizza and getting a generic pizza made with shredded cheese and marinara sauce would be a major disappointment.

[-] SatyrSack@quokk.au 13 points 6 days ago

Ordering a margherita pizza and getting a generic pizza made with shredded cheese and marinara sauce would be a major disappointment.

Andy: Okay. You guys ever had Margherita pizza?
Stanley: What's that?
Andy: Fresh tomato with a dollop of mozzarella cheese.
Stanley: That's pizza.
Pam: That's regular pizza.
[pizza arrives, Andy looks in the box]
Andy: Ah, their interpretation of Margarita pizza. Fans of classic pizza will be psyched.

The Office (US) S8E1 "The List"

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 days ago

The margherita pizza I am familiar with has large slices of mozzarella, a chunky tomato sauce, and basil on top.

That's a margherita pizza in the US.

Ordering a margherita pizza and getting a generic pizza made with shredded cheese and marinara sauce would be a major disappointment.

Imagine my chagrin when, traveling in Europe, I ordered a margherita pizza and received a cheese pizza. I thought they got my order wrong. It took me like three tries on separate days before I found out that that's just what margherita means outside the US...

[-] Rothe@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago

Americans easily gets confused when people are using different terms and words for things than Americans are.

The point is that what you encountered wasn't wrong, it was just different from what you were used to.

[-] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Ok, but it's also actually incorrect to call a plain cheese pizza "margherita". And I learned that while in Italy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_Margherita

[-] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Wouldn't it be the other way around. The comment that spawned this entire thing was literally about what Americans in america call it. And we use different words for the two things. So this is a case of Europeans being confused that Americans call two different ways to prepare a pizza by two different names.

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 days ago

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I related a personal experience about when I learned there was a difference, but that doesn't mean I thought it was wrong.

Just a humorous way to laugh at myself while saying "the world is bigger than you think, and words can mean different things in different places."

[-] zikzak025@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I mean, I've had margherita pizzas outside of the US as well and they matched my expectations. At least in Asia and South America. So I guess it just leaves me puzzled as to how much of Europe (maybe just the non-NA Anglosphere) is getting it wrong when Italy is right there.

I've also seen pizzas that I would describe as margherita pizza when visiting Scandinavia, but if you're in Sweden and you're having anything other than the banana curry pizza, you're doing yourself a disservice

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

leaves me puzzled as to how much of Europe is getting it wrong when Italy is right there.

That's the part you're not getting. Europe isn't the one "getting it wrong." If you want to claim that only one way is correct, then the US is the incorrect way.

A country's proximity to italy is irrelevant. There's literally an Italian in this thread who says margherita pizza in italy just means cheese pizza.

It's like claiming Germany does bratwurst wrong because it doesn't taste like the ones you get from the supermarket in the US.

[-] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

Checking various lists from countries this is as far as I can tell EXCLUSIVELY a problem of western Europe.

All three of the Americas, china, Russia, japan, Scandinavian, and basically everywhere else I can find. Use two different terms to separate a cheese and margarita pizza.

So this is just a case of Europe is infact wrong. In fact Naples where the pizza style was invented uses the same terms as america.

The USA copied Naples.

The UK and much of western Europe. Like normal, is bastardizing what foods are called while the rest of the world just steals the terms from where it's invented.

[-] Rason_Facts@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago

Pizza margherita is pizza margherita. American cheese pizza is pizza quattro formaggi.

Source: Italian.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 10 points 6 days ago

Italy here: Margherita is the basic pizza, tomato sauce and mozzarella.

Basil is basically always included in the sauce of normal pizzas.

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 days ago

Basil is basically always included in the sauce of normal pizzas.

I wish that were the case in the US.

But also, margherita pizza here usually has whole or chopped basil leaves added directly on top

[-] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 6 days ago

It's such a cheap ingredient, it makes no sense to omit it

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago

Probably cheap in Italy. In the US if you grow your own basil you don't really want to publicize that cause you'll be labeled as bougie

And some people won't eat anything that seems too "foreign," like good bread and most spices and herbs.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 5 days ago

Weird. It's just a plant, takes plenty of sun and water and that's it. I've got two in pots, one even survived the winter, which they usually don't, although I had to fight Noctua caterpillars. (very silent caterpillars? no, not that Noctua)

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[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

In Australia it can sometimes mean with blobs of mozzarella but typically it's grated with fresh cubed/sliced tomato added.

Most places also do a basic cheese only, some with a 3 or 4 cheese as a more expensive version.

[-] obelisk_complex@piefed.ca 2 points 6 days ago

I'm surprised Australians don't put beets on their pizza. It belongs there about as much as on a burger.

(I'm kidding, I miss Australia very much - just not the beets πŸ˜…)

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Beetroot and Feta is a great pizza!

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago

That sounds awesome actually

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[-] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is a margherita pizza. If a kid asks for cheese pizza and receives that, they'd be upset.

[-] homosapien@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago

Queen Margherita would behead anyone that served her the modern cheese pizza

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[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 days ago
[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago

Why would you ever have a pizza without basil? :o

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 15 points 6 days ago

I like basil too, but it doesn't need to be on every pie

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

Why would anyone have the nerve to eat anything I don't like!?

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

If you bought "pizza sauce" in a jar you are already in fact eating it and presumably already liking it

[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

I was making fun of the other poster

[-] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

There's over a thousand ways to prepare a pizza. You don't need the same thing on all of them.

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

I agree, but passata usually just has basil as part of it so it becomes kind of a given for pizza.

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[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 days ago

In the US, margherita pizza usually has fresh mozarella and basil

Cheese pizza is just "plain," meaning just crust, sauce, and cheese. The cheese could be any kind, most often either shredded mozarella or provolone. If it's fancy maybe a blend including hard cheeses like parmesan, romano, fontina, and/or asiago.

Some absolute heretics actually put cheddar cheese on their pizza. We don't talk to those.

But yeah, there's a difference here between "cheese pizza" and "margherita pizza"

[-] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

Those are two very very different things man

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Depends on where from what I've seen in other replies

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Do non-americans really not know the difference?

[-] nyctre@piefed.social 2 points 6 days ago

The only "cheese" pizza I know is quattro formaggi.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Which is 4 cheeses (iirc specific cheeses), distinct from other cheese pizzas

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[-] blackbeans@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago

I checked and it looks like American cheese pizza is different from a Margherita. It is more uniformly looking, and it has a dominant cheese flavour without the freshness of the tomatoes and basil.

[-] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

Yeah if you ask for Margarita pizza here you get exactly what a margarita pizza is. So the same thing you would expect in Naples. The presentation might change a little bit depending on where exactly you get it, but it's going to be the same ingredients in the same general style.

A cheese pizza is literally just a f*** load of cheese and nothing else. You're getting literally exactly what you're asking for.

It's why they're different terms. If you want the original Maple style pizza you ask for margarita. If you want a slab of cheese on top of some bread you ask for a cheese pizza.

[-] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

Cheese pizza isn't necessarily done with mozzarella or at least not just with mozzarella. I've seen places have both on the menu (Cheese + Margherita)

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