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Comic Strips
Comic Strips is a community for those who love comic stories.
Rules
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๐ Be Nice!
- Treat others with respect and dignity. Friendly banter is okay, as long as it is mutual; keyword: friendly.
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๐๏ธ Community Standards
- Comics should be a full story, from start to finish, in one post.
- Posts should be safe and enjoyable by the majority of community members, both here on lemmy.world and other instances.
- Any comic that would qualify as raunchy, lewd, or otherwise draw unwanted attention by nosy coworkers, spouses, or family members should be tagged as NSFW.
- Moderators have final say on what and what does not qualify as appropriate. Use common sense, and if need be, err on the side of caution.
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๐งฌ Keep it Real
- Comics should be made and posted by real human beans, not by automated means like bots or AI. This is not the community for that sort of thing.
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๐ฝ๏ธ Credit Where Credit is Due
- Comics should include the original attribution to the artist(s) involved, and be unmodified. Bonus points if you include a link back to their website. When in doubt, use a reverse image search to try to find the original version. Repeat offenders will have their posts removed, be temporarily banned from posting, or if all else fails, be permanently banned from posting.
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๐ Post Formatting
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โ Correct: https://xkcd.com/386/
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๐ฌ Post Frequency/SPAM
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๐ดโโ ๏ธ Internationalization (i18n)
- Non-English posts are welcome. Please tag the post title with the original language, and include an English translation in the body of the post; e.g.,
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๐ฟ Moderation
- We are human, just like most everybody else on Lemmy. If you feel a moderation decision was made in error, you are welcome to reach out to anybody on the moderation team for clarification. Keep in mind that moderation decisions may be final.
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Banned Artists
The following artists are banned from the community.
- Jago
- Stonetoss
- GPrime85
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Web Accessibility
Note: This is not a rule, but a helpful suggestion.
When posting images, you should strive to add alt-text for screen readers to use to describe the image you're posting:
Another helpful thing to do is to provide a transcription of the text in your images, as well as brief descriptions of what's going on. (example)
Web of Links
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Other Comic Communities of Interest
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Ok, so here's my question. AI is a tool, not a person. So I create text prompts for it to make whatever I type (theoretically). You say that takes no skill, sure.
Now a writer who inputs the description of a character they created in a book into AI and it makes a picture of a person based on the writers creative skilled writing. Are you saying it's crap even though the writer put skill into the unique description, but used a tool to make a picture based on it?
By that token if AI is a tool, would a artists brush be considered bullshit slop because it's used to make a pairing. By definition it's a tool as well.
Yes, they are entirely different domains. Thats like saying if someone painted a very beautiful picture, with effort and detail. Then claimed authorship over stories written about the subject.
Inspiration is a real thing, and should be lauded, but it still takes skill and an eye for art to render a scene. When someone gets a tattoo, do they usually claim they were the artist, should I? I have an extremely detailed idea for one Iโd like to get, colors picked out, subject, poses, etc. but I am not skilled enough to render it, nor put it on my body. Iโve got a great design, but no art.
No, because there's a human right there doing the actual work.
With computer generation (aka "AI") there's just one person and a computer hooked up to the internet. You can claim that the people on the internet broadly deserve the credit - including the people who wrote the computer program. But that's nothing like getting a tattoo.
No I think it's more like hiring someone to do the work (as in the comic). Beyond using Autotune or making a collage, turning something into something else.
If you are just asking CAN the AI be used as a tool for art, maybe? If I ask it to show me something then use that "something" to make a different work, I don't think that's different from finding that inspo elsewhere. Like if I theoretically asked an AI "what else can I do with all this basil" and it gave me a list and I made a version of one of those ideas, I would still think I was the chef.
Digital freehand art takes a lot of practice, one of my kids does both offline (watercolors, pens, acrylic paint) and digital drawing and they are equally challenging.
A way better execution of your example would be people making design documents and the people building it.
Its a symbiosis, without one the other can't work. Let's say I sit down and make a full concept and prototype construction plan for a small tank model. That makes me a (hopefully) good CAD designer. If I than put this into a hypothetical fully automatic CNC machine, I can't say I'm a good machinist. Replace Cad design with prompting and the fully automatic CNC machine with AI.
Shit goes in, shit comes out.
Oh yeah and also the fully auto CNC machine just has a bunch of Cad Files from people who have never consented to it being used and reused to assemble the cad file mostly relating to the prompt.
There are still people who don't think digital artists are real artists because they use computer assistance. And there are ethically trained image gen models out there.
Fundamentally, someone is using a tool to get an inspiration from their head into the physical world. The tool can't do anything without the user's input, and the user can't get the output they want without using the tool correctly (prompting). I don't think the ease of the process should have a major impact on the legitimacy of it.
Lots of people don't understand that so-called "AI" is just another computer program.
They really think it's like a person. Feeding the grift.
When people refer to AI as a tool, they mean as a part of the drawing/rendering workflow, not the whole. If you went through the entire design workflow without the AI, you can take full ownership over that. That part still takes your skill. But if the AI still builds most if not all of the image, you can't really claim ownership over the image, since from that point, the AI makes (basically) all of the skillful decisions.
Only if you start being a part of actively shaping the drawing, like providing a sufficiently original base image or other advanced original input, drawing over or recomposing the image afterwards, you can get something you were actually a part of it. That's the (closer) equivalent of an artists brush. The artist uses and applies the brush in a way to make something that becomes bigger than it's parts. Using AI for the full image would be equivalent to applying a stamp. It can be a very pretty stamp, but something else made it.
Saying "I made this", isn't false per se, but the omission of "by having the AI draw my design." does drastically change the perception to the point it's deceptive. It's just about being honest. If you made a cool design, stick to taking credit for the design. At the end of the day, not being a part of putting the design into a drawing is not uncommon, but certainly better than being deceptive, even if some people may dislike the AI use. Those people will hate you all the more for lying by omission over it if that was an issue for them, and it can certainly also draw unhappy responses from others who would be fine if you told them honestly.
EDIT: Typo
yes, why wouldn't it be crap? putting effort into the input to feed a probabilistic machine doesn't suddenly make the output appealing somehow. there is a difference of skill and resulting quality between an artist using a brush and a person using a slop generator. the notion that your slop generator is generating slop because you're simply prompting it wrong is nonsense.
and quite frankly, whoever thinks that an image generator built on mass scraping others' creative works pushed forward by the worst of big tech and a paintbrush are equivalent in ethics and quality because they say they're both "tools" might just be a tool as well.