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What a load of cope on The Gaurdian's part, trying to blame this shit on Sweden instead of the UK.
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Yeah, "only" more than a third of the total, so rare and weird!
As if Sweden shouldn't be allowed to do that, even though the UK insisted on being considered separate and foreign.
Blaming Sweden for British immigrants' own failures.
Sucks for the individuals involved (which I sure hope voted against Brexit, as that's the only thing that stops it from being a !leopardsatemyface situation), but the UK is getting exactly what it demanded.
I think if I were in his shoes, I would have been asking myself and my country's embassy some questions. As a EU citizen, I am now required to get myself a travel passport if I want to travel to London for just a weekend, as well as some kind of electronic mini-visa similar to the US Esta thing. Assuming that new (in my eyes absolutely bonkers) post-Brexit restrictions only work one way is pretty silly.
At the end of the day, your immigration policies suck when you can kick out someone who lived there for 24 years, fully integrated.
Well it actually starts before that, how can someone live in another country for 24 years and not claim citizenship?
And yes Brits living in another country should be able to read up on what they have to do after Brexit.
It's not like that Brexit never hit the media.
Why is everyone today calling for someone else to manage their own life?!
Get your shit together.
They must have managed their life quite well considering they were no citizen.
You know that’s an interesting thought there. If you’ve lived in a certain place for at least 10 years, I almost think that you should be forced to renounce citizenship of your prior country and become a citizen there or you’re basically just a long term squatter.
Long-term squatter here, applying for citizenship is expensive (almost 2 grand) and it's a bloody awful process. It involves taking a test that I'm sure the vast majority of actual citizens would fail. I'd rather put the money towards a house deposit.
that wasn't the case in sweden until very recently, no test, no language requirement, not sure about the price but i'm sure it wasn't that expensive cus there were no language tests or knowledge tests to bump up the fees
they basically gave out citizenships to everyone that had lived in the country for a few years.
basically the only option for him to be denied citizenship is that he committed a crime and got jail time or a suspended sentence, and that's his fault at that point. maybe get citizenship before commiting serious crime lol
I get that, but consider getting a house deposit requires paperwork and financial testing. Skipping or ignoring that paperwork may not serve getting a house deposit.
But it does seem like the person in the article did their paperwork and still ended up being rejected.
Then I’d argue you’re refusing to integrate and you shouldn’t be there. You’re talking about a house, which means even longer term roots. If you’re going to take advantage of their system, you should become willing to integrate.
Can you truly be fully integrated, if you did not obtain citizenship?
Well the UK left the EU so of course there are consequences. People should have paid more attention. Britain really just wanted to separate and not have any consequences.
Sweden shouldn’t be allowed to do that, just like Trump shouldn’t be allowed to remove people who’ve been living in the US for 24 years.
Unless The Guardian left some important details involving masked, armed thugs and concentration camps out of the article, what Sweden is doing is nothing like what Trump is doing.
And speaking of things left out of the article, it doesn't explain why his "three failed attempts to remain in the country" actually failed. It makes me wonder if there's a good reason for it that we're not being told. (And that, by the way, also sounds markedly different from the complete lack of due process currently happening in US immigration "courts.")
So wait, is he being kicked out because Britain voted for Brexit or because of something he did? You’re not even keeping your story straight. In the meantime that they’ve been there for a long time it’s literally the reason that we can’t give land back to the Palestinians or Georgia back to the Cherokees, so as a Native American I’m very interested in why it’s OK now. Kind of seems like this is just yet another instance of the people in charge getting to make the rules no matter what the morality is.
What do you mean, "my story?" I'm not The Guardian! They're the ones claiming he's being kicked out because of Brexit while leaving out the reasons why Swedish immigration authorities ruled against him three times.
You literally called it a leopards eating faces situation and said that the UK was getting what they demanded.
The point is they ruled against him 3 times after he had been living there for over two decades.
If he didn't oppose Brexit.
If brexit doesn’t have anything to do with it then why does that matter?
Do you just lack reading comprehension skills or something? Why do you keep assuming random shit I didn't say?
Of fucking course Brexit has something to do with it; it's why he doesn't have an automatic right to live in Sweden indefinitely. But that is not the same as being the reason his non-automatic application to stay failed three times. Clear now?
I don’t know why you’re so desperate to keep changing the topic, I’m just trying to keep it on what I was originally saying and you’re not so I’m done.
The bottom line for me here is that he shouldn’t have been kicked out regardless, after 24 years no matter what he did he should’ve gone through the Swedish penal system or something like that. Or it’s totally OK to kick people out after they’ve lived there for most of all of their lives and we should stop using that excuse in the other places.
I am sick and tired of your ridiculous false accusations.
Here's what you actually wrote:
I replied to the second half of that, the bullshit comparison between Sweden and Trump. You then posted a series of confused objections to things I didn't claim while insinuating bad faith on my part, but at no point were we ever talking about the thing you apparently think we were talking about!
Don't pretend "just like Trump" wasn't your topic.
Wow, you went way out of your way to come up with a completely different understanding of what I said.
You were the only one who has tried to compare the method of removal, I’m still talking about the act of removing.
I’ll type it slower this time so you really get it: people shouldn’t be able to be removed from the places they’ve lived for most or all of their lives. Regardless of where that is or who’s removing them. It doesn’t matter what the reasons or method are it always results in pain and suffering.
Seriously, stop trying to act like you changing the subject is me changing the subject or me reiterating my point multiple different ways it somehow me not saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.
FYI, I never disagreed with you on the morality of it to begin with. In fact, that's why I didn't address that point: I had no objections to it.
Now, seriously, for the last fucking time, knock it off with your needlessly combative attitude! You're the only one here acting in bad faith!
You were the first one to use italics, I take strong issue with the idea that I was the first one to be needlessly combative.
Why if your not a citizen you don't really have any rights in the country.