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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

But you’re missing the sound and visuals. That informs the context. Plus the transcript is auto-generated. Why read it but not watch it?

And yes, you’re right, both episodes together are 236 minutes total.

[-] Seimhe@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Generally, I think the video format is responsible for a lot of disinformation getting swallowed wholesale. The people I know who fall for disinformation get it from videos. They usually have no other sources than themselves, nobody to challenge in the video itself, and it's very difficult to reference parts of the video for critical discussion. It's the perfect medium for a Gish gallop.

So I read it because I didn't want to take in information passively. 4-hours is too much information to process critically in one go. It's easy to watch that and be led to the conclusion the producers want with cut scenes, music choices, etc. After hearing so many falsehoods and retractions, I wanted to digest it properly.

The word "documentary" does not mean truth. In some cases it means a completely unchallenged and biased narrative led to deceive, such as the documentary Vaxxed, which was also promoted by a massive platform when it came out. It's hard to put the genie back in the bottle after something like that.

I'm not necessarily judging the individuals in the video. If they have a case, it was badly represented by a documentary that did not check some facts that are essential to their core claims. Their director is also very odd. Regardless of what happened, to say Jackson was "worse than Epstein" is just not something a thinking person would say in an age where those victims are also trying to get justice.

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Are you going to explain what specific audiovisual component might, if seen, lead someone to conclude that Michael Jackson shouldn't have been acquitted? Or is this just some vague allusion to nonexistent super-important context that invalidates all the legal proceedings so you don't have to actually make a solid case for your accusation?

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

What specific audiovisual component? Well, the way he went near-catatonic as the verdict seemed to draw near, and the surprise testimony of Macaulay Culkin were two specifically related to the trial.

Legal proceedings are not necessarily a source of truth, ask Dred Scott.

I’m just saying the full documentary is plenty of evidence. The only people who strongly disagree are those who haven’t seen it. IME.

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 0 points 6 hours ago

I’m just saying the full documentary is plenty of evidence.

The evidence available was not enough to convince a jury. If you have new evidence, present it. Be specific. You're making a claim here, you back it up.

Legal proceedings are not necessarily a source of truth, ask Dred Scott.

And how do you know Dred Scott was a case of bad legal proceedings? Is it because a stranger on the internet went "nuh-uh!" and told you to go watch a documentary? Be honest.

The only people who strongly disagree are those who haven’t seen it.

Sure, sure, and if you didn't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black. These are awful fallacious arguments you're making. Just awful.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The evidence available was not enough to convince a jury. If you have new evidence, present it. Be specific. You're making a claim here, you back it up.

The evidence in the movie was not the same as presented in trial for a LOT of reasons, not least of which because most people find jury trials interminably boring.

And how do you know Dred Scott was a case of bad legal proceedings?

. . . Okay, look, nevermind.

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The evidence in the movie was not the same as presented in trial for a LOT of reasons, not least of which because most people find jury trials interminably boring.

Meaningless excuse.

. . . Okay, look, nevermind.

No, let's mind it. You know Dred Scott was bad because the law and the evidence actually agreed with the plaintiffs, and the decision made against them was demonstrably motivated by racism. It's a bad comparison to make. The circumstances do not match up. You're making nothing but bad faith arguments here and this is the last I'll hear of it. Toodle-oo.

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