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[-] crashfrog@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago

People don’t have fewer rights under the First Amendment when they assemble to exercise them than they do individually. Citizens United was correctly decided and if you disagree, it’s because you think it’s a ruling that “corporations are people.”

When it’s actually a ruling that corporations are fictions.

[-] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Except that's not how they implemented it. Somehow organizing grants you EXTRA rights over being an individual. Suddenly you get an avenue to get around personal contribution limits, on top of retaining your original personal contributions allowance...

[-] crashfrog@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

They who? Implemented what?

There never were individual limits on political speech.

[-] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 3 points 1 day ago

There were and still are.

You, as an individual, right now, have a limit on how much money you can donate to a political campaign.

An organization is able to bypass that by spending that money directly in support of the campaign, but not directly giving it to them. Thus granting the organization's owners more political power than they had as an individual.

[-] crashfrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

No; the First Amendment bars any government regulation on political speech.

An organization is able to bypass that by spending that money directly in support of the campaign, but not directly giving it to them

There have never been individual limits on indirect political support for issues or candidates because the First Amendment bars government regulation of your political speech.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

You’re kind of right, Citizens United did not rule that corporations are people.

That determination was made in the 1880s in Santa Clara County v Southern Pacific Railroad. Kind of, it was in a summary before the ruling, but (like Robert Bork’s essay that said true monopolies don’t exist and even if they did competition would destroy them and so antitrust action should only be taken if a merger will negatively impact consumers where “negatively impact consumers” is constrained to mean “raise prices in the immediate future”) it was treated as having the force of law.

https://uslawexplained.com/santa_clara_county_v_southern_pacific_railroad

[-] crashfrog@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

CU doesn’t rely on corporations being people. It relies on individuals having First Amendment rights.

[-] PokerChips@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

If that's not the most white washing statement I've ever read...

[-] crashfrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It’s not a ruling about the rights of corporations!

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