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she was part of the Biden-Harris administration when it issued a formal genocide determination regarding conflicts In Africa. She's spoken against war crimes and human rights abuses.
But I suspect you're not actually asking about that - you're asking about specifically if she condemned Israel's actions a genocide, and she did not. She stated that she wished the ceasefire would hold, and acknowledged that there was terrible pain in Gaza. At the time of the election, she, along with many others did not view the actions by Israel as a genocide. It was seen as an overtly unbalanced counter to the Oct attacks. One where Israel was allowing too many civilians deaths for targeting low value military targets. There was pushback starting, not enough, and not enough to risk losing Jewish votes and funding. Whether a Harris government would have limited the rampant escalation of Israeli violence that Trump allowed and encouraged, we'll never know. Probably it would have been less bad with Harris, since Trump has acted just about as bad as it could possibly be - and if that's what you effectively voted for, you are responsible for that.
So, when it cost her nothing, and it was easy, said it was bad. But when she had the power to actually stop it, and stand against it, she immediately backed down. Wow, what a hero!
Yes she did. Everyone saw it, but she refused to acknowledge it, because she cared more about making sure Israel could continue bombing kids, than she cared about winning the election against Trump.
Yes, there was enough. She just didn't care. The money and risk of Jewish votes wasn't enough especially considering that she didn't win anyway. She knew it was a losing issue, and stuck with it. The polling was clear at the time, which is why everyone was begging her to call it out.
We don't know if it would have been less bad with Harris. In fact, all evidence points to her being just as bad. I am not responsible for that, because I voted against that. The Republicans are responsible for that, and the Democratic leadership is responsible for that, since they chose letting Trump win, over stopping an easily stoppable genocide.
Everyone did not see it. Hamas was firing rockets daily at Isreali civilians. If someone was firing rockets at my family, I'd want my government to try to stop them. War is horrible, it was war.
It was only after Trump actively encouraged Netanyahu to 'wipe out the Palestinians' that it got much worse and clearly genocidal.
But if you are happy with that, you do you, I guess.
And why was that? I think that was bad, but libs always seem to ignore the part where Israel tortured, enslaved, raped, killed, colonialized, and stole the land from the Palestinians.
So yes, everyone saw it, but many chose to ignore it.
No, it was like that before. Yes, it got worse under Trump, just like it would have gotten worse under Harris, based on the evidence that she herself provided.
I'm not happy with it, which is why I fought, and still fight, against it. But here you are, defending the genocide, and the people who support it. I wonder why that is....
And that's where you fuck it up. No I'm not supporting genocide. I'm telling you that at the time of the election, many people still supported Isreal defending itself while condemning genocide. When you purposefully confuse the genuinely fucked up actions of Israel but in the context of a decades long struggle with rockets, suicide bombers, etc; with the present day actual genocide - you are both diminishing the current atrocities and also rewriting history on how we got here. There was a clear choice to lessen the harm that came to the Palestinian people during the last election, and if you failed to make that choice then no, you didn't fight for Palestinians, you fucked them over. Own it.
Well, if you support the people, and the party who support genocide, can you tell why some might think you are supporting genocide?
Yeah, and today many people still do. It didn't make them the majority then, and it doesn't make them the majority now. It was obvious to see, but neither Biden nor Harris cared, and they went to great lengths to make that super clear.
Israel has been clear about their goals for a long time. I'm not diminishing the atrocites, you are. You are the one defending the genociders who raped, pillaged, stole and murderd.
I would own that, if I had done that, just like I own that I voted for child-murdering Obama on his first campaign. But I learned my lesson then.
I made the right choice, the "lets not bomb kids" choice, but neither the Democrats or Republicans were running that as an option.
Of course, something tells me that, if you voted for Harris, you won't own up to the fact that you voted for genocide, because that would require introspection.
If you didn't vote for Harris, you effectively voted for Trump and you own the result. If you really think Harris would have been as bad as Trump then I guess you can be happy Trump won. Like I say - you do you. Can't cure stupid.
Well, luckily for me, I know how elections work, and that is not how they work. I also didn't vote for Trump or Biden in the last election, does that mean you think I "effectively voted for Biden" ?
Well, if you bothered to read any of my posts, you would have known that I'm not happy that either of them won. But it seems that you'd rather just yell at people for things you misunderstand.
Is stupid the person who came to this conversation with data, facts, context, and historical knowledge? or the person who kept saying "Nuh uh, nanananana I'm not listening!" ?
I believe you can cure stupid. That's how education works. That's why I gave you facts and data, someting I'm still waiting for you to provide.
The facts are simple: Harris better than Trump. Those were the only two actual options If you didn't vote for Harris, you helped Trump. This is very simple math. That's it. If you are smart enough to realize Harris better than Trump, but didn't vote for Harris, then you are an idiot as you helped get Trump. It doesn't get any simpler. If you still don't get it, there's no hope for you.
Marginally, yes.
I like how you say the "facts are simple", which I agree with, but then completely get the simple facts incorrect.
It is indeed simple math, which is why I don't understand how you can't figure it out. I was able to, and did, vote against them both. I proudly didn't help either of them. You, however, presumeably voted for more genocide, and more child-killing. Funny how you never seem to want to talk about that, but instead keep getting angry at me for voting against those things.
Thats not true at all, but, as simple as it is, you still don't seem to get it.
Well, you are kinda right: There is no hope for me to change to supporting a group of people that bombs kids, support rapists, and support genocide. I'm pretty stuck on those being bad things, and I'm not going to support them, like you did.
Unfortunately for me, I still think there's hope for you. I think that, once you calm down, and try reading what people say, and learning about the facts, you will change your mind. I think you are just mad that Trump is in charge, as I am. But you aren't currently willing to look at the reasons why Trump is in charge, and instead are lashing out at the people who want to keep him and his ilk out of power.