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Breaking: ‘No choice’ but to accept our demands: Iran raises the price of peace with U.S. adding Bab el-Mandeb to deal terms (www.deccanherald.com)

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[-] DjangoFett@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I am not my government, nor have i ever felt anything like "patriotism" at any point outside the Olympics, and that's always as fleeting as whichever event I am watching.

Much as Iranians aren't their government, Chinese aren't theirs, etc etc. Despots gonna despot.

And if you think he actually got voted in this most recent time then I've got some bridges for sale in Brooklyn for a great price if you're interested.

ETA: Hard-line religious repressive governments and the CCCP genociding Uyghrs(sp) are what I'm referring to, nothing more.

Also I'm dumb

[-] Molvorin@feddit.dk 20 points 1 day ago

That's not how a democracy works. And if you argue against it, then it's not a democracy any more

In the end, I don't think the rest of the world believes that this is all down to one person called Trump any more. This is down to the whole population and will require many generations of intentional cultural change to reverse.

The USA is lost to most of its allies, not because of Trump alone but because things there can unpredictably change very dramatically every 4 years

[-] DjangoFett@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

I hear the truth of what you're saying, but then by that same logic may you be blamed for all the ills of your government.

In the face of reality, that logic only applies to a few. Especially when our system was purchased by oligarchs when Millennials as a generation were infants. Our say began during the market collapse of 2008. Is it really my fault, or was my power to vote outweighed by corporate interests through no fault of my own - especially having lived and voted in MY and as close to social-humanism as my options would allow, respectively.

I don't deny we are no longer reliable as a nation, but please don't conflate normal citizens with governments. Its bad for everyone.

[-] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 5 points 1 day ago

Oh, he got voted in by enough people to make this rapist, childfucking, insurrectionist garbage human president the second time. There is no functioning mechanism to prevent such things or to reverse course when things are obviously fucked, and that is the fault of every american alive, regardless of patriotism. It's not limited to a single generation either - this shit has been going down since at least Nixon, who got away scot free, and Reagan, who also didn't suffer any consequences for the Contra affair.

Every American alive - minus Gen Z / Alpha at the moment, but i am sure they will carry the torch on - is part of a system that has been running amok for more than half a century, and was neither willing to consistently vote for representants that respect the rule of law nor demand that the rules are changed in a way to prevent a fascist takeover.

It's just like with genocide - if you don't speak out against it, you support it.

[-] Someone@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago

Every American alive - minus Gen Z / Alpha at the moment,

Most of Gen Z were 18+ in 2024, they're already carrying the torch.

[-] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

They still aren't the main part of the population, and the younger voters seem to lean more free-thinking for now. We will see how it develops with them in the next decade, but i have the feeling that they (similar to GenX) are not approving of the gerontocratic power grab we are seeing today, which might actually pit them against the worst of GenX and the Millenials. I for myself, as a late GenX, am pretty ashamed of the people in my generation who adapted to the system, instead of going what their generation actually stood for: Punk and revolt against the encrusted establishment.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Much as Iranians aren't their government, Chinese aren't theirs, etc etc. Despots gonna despot.

People on Lemmy need to actually internalize this fact^

Thank you for thinking that way and saying it "out loud".

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