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[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I hate “AI” as much as the next guy, but that seems a bit harsh. They are making a very specific point, and it seems well argued to me.

That’s not to say that infringement is necessarily okay. But it’s a distinct issue from “theft.”

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Fair use isn’t infringement. And if it is infringement, it’s not “theft.” And even if a use competes with you, competition doesn’t make it illegal. Indeed, the “effect of the use upon the potential market” is just one of four factors, and it isn’t supposed to let ordinary competition swallow the entire fair use analysis. That these employees (who are not, themselves, copyright experts) said random things does not change the actual underlying analysis of fair use. Or, at least, it shouldn’t.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

It's not fair use and it's theft. The artists and creators had no way of opting out because most didn't know about it.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

It’s not theft. It’s plagiarism. They’re different.

Your second point is a valid problem with what they did (but doing something that is wrong doesn’t mean it is theft).

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 days ago

If I ran into a university and stole all of their teaching aids, books and art to "train my university students, that's still fucking theft. Why tf would you stick up for them in any way?

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Did you copy them or keep them?

Why are you interpreting this as defending them?

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 days ago

Don't you have to steal them to copy them? The fact that no one knew they were stealing them to copy, means the owners didn't know, couldn't opt out or protect them. Just because it's not a law yet, doesn't make it okay.

Why are you interpreting this as defending them?

Why are you not? You wrote the defense out.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

If someone still has their belongings after a “theft” it’s not theft.

What they are doing is violating the artists (and much more heinous things), but calling it theft isn’t accurate, has undesirable side effects, and doesn’t solve the problem of stopping them doing what they’re doing.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 6 days ago

don't you have to steal them to copy them

No, you can go into the library and take pictures / scans of the pages without the books ever leaving the library.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

... and then write cheap copies without any penalties whatsoever, right?

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago

Yes, that's copyright infringement, not theft

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

i guess you are not old enough to have seen the old commercials lol

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

Billions of them? ok

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