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Canada, France, Italy and Greece allow Netanyahu’s overflight despite ICC warrant
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Putting aside the question of whether the leadership of those countries actually wanted to arrest him, it's not obvious to me what they could actually do.
When an aircraft is passing through, and not actually landing, they could order it to land (which it would refuse to do, presumably), then they could resort to some posturing with fighter aircraft, then they would either have to give up or shoot down a foreign head of state.
Unless they're willing to immediately go to war with Israel and the US, and likely a bunch of other countries, there's really nothing they can do about it
If an aircraft enters your airspace without your permission, you can shoot it down. Who is on it is immaterial. I can understand Italy, Greece and Canada not having AA missiles or not wanting to piss off the US, but France can 100% get away with it. The US won't pick a fight with a nuclear power.
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Do you think Putin could go through these European airspace without being challenged?
Give us some more of that mental gymnastics, bud.
Not give it passage through their airspace. The most basic things.
So basic that you can't even answer how that would be achieved
It goes like this:
Plane carrying a person accused of crimes against humanity: "Air traffic control ICC this is airplane ABC-123 requesting permission to enter airspace DEF heading 123"
A country that is a signatory to the ICC and obligated to act on an international arrest warrant for persons wanted to stand trial for crimes against humanity if they enter their territory: "Permission denied, if you eneter this airspace you will be escorted to military base HIJ where you will be detained and escorted to the ICC to stand trail for crimes against humanity."
And then they call your bluff and fly through anyway.
Then what? You shoot down the prime minister of Israel? You single handedly end NATO, make your nation a pariah, cause a rapid expansion of war in the Middle East, plunge the global market into a depression, and run the risk of causing a world war?
Yeah there’s a reason why none of these countries did anything. The ICC is a joke and always has been. It has zero actual authority and it’s only purpose has always been to maintain western dominance in the world.
That’s it.
Then you do exactly what you saif you would do. You 'escort' the plane with miltary planes, that have a progressive level of escalation which if taken to the most extreme could be getting shot down.
So you think that these countries would let Putin fly through their airspace?
Absolutely. They’re not going to shoot down and kill a leader of a nuclear power. You’re absolutely insane if you think that’s the encase.
Which is why Putin flies over them whenever he likes, right?
Why would he? Where would he go that he would need to cross Europe? He has no reason to go to North America or anywhere west of Belarus.
Lol. Even you don't believe what you're saying
Planes demand access to airspace before entering it. Open a search engine if you want to find out more.
So arrogant
I'm well aware of that, but what do you actually expect to happen when that gets ignored? Threaten a plane carrying the leader of a nuclear power? That'll go well.
I'd also love to see him in handcuffs but escalation is obviously unproductive when he can't be safely arrested and planes requesting permission is only a courtesy when there are no consequences to defiance.
Do you really think Israel would nuke France if they grounded his plane?
I don't think they'd immediately press the red button, but they clearly have a capacity to escalate and have shown in the middle east that they're quite trigger happy
Israel would literally cease to exist if it got in a war with France. Israel isn't going to war with fucking NATO
France shooting down Netanyahu would be the end of NATO immediately. There would be no war with NATO because NATO wouldn’t exist anymore.
A European nation assassinating Netanyahu would immediately plunge the entire Middle East into massive war, destroy the global market, and likely draw the US into war in Europe.
You think the population of the US would want to go to war with France over the leader of a genocidal pariah state being downed legally?
What's the support for the war with Iran again?
And just like your second example, public support wouldn’t matter in the slightest. We’re literally at war with Iran right now with basically nobody supporting it.
But France would have no allies even in Europe if they assassinated a Western leader like Netanyahu. They’d be a global pariah for plunging the world into a depression that would make the Great Depression look like child’s play.
I dunno if you've been paying attention, but that's already happening because America is doing what Israel wants. If anyone stepped up to stop America or Israel in the slightest, we would avoid catastrophic depression.
It's not an "assassination", dumbass.
It literally is an assassination.
It literally isn't, dumbass.
Not sure what else you would call killing the prime minister of a nation that you’re not at war with.
Legally enforcing your airspace is not an assassination and you know it, stop being deliberately obtuse.
Shooting down a civilian aircraft with a work leader on it would absolutely be an assassination.
No it wouldn't, and you know it
Yes it absolutely would lmao. No European country is at war with Israel. Every European country recognizes Israel as a sovereign nation.
It would be an assassination and an act of war.
I'm genuinely curious what you think the relevance of this is.
Given that you're so stupid you think a country enforcing their air space is both assassination and an act of war, I'm assuming your answer is going to be more nonsense though
What’s the relevance of one nation killing the leader of another nation that they internationally recognize as a sovereign nation?
Shooting down an aircraft is far beyond standard airspace enforcement. Standard airspace enforcement would be to send fighter jets to escort the violating aircraft out of the airspace without conflict.
Shooting down an aircraft would absolutely be an act of war.
Which you've already said they can't do because the plane could just ignore them. What do you think is the next step when a violating plane ignores the fighters?
Escorting isn’t “leave now” it’s “flank and follow”. They would have fighter jets flanking the aircraft through the airspace.
You know, deliberately being obtuse and playing dumb isn't as clever as you seem to think
How did we go from the mandated air denial by international law to shooting down an aircraft?
What’s your proposed response when said aircraft doesn’t follow your air denial and enters your airspace anyway?
There’s only two options. You either send fighters up and follow them until they leave, or you enforce said denial and shoot the aircraft down.
Then at least do that.
But they won't even do that.
But you've already decided that no country should be expected to actually arrest him
What does "safely arrested" fucking mean? You've already declared that no country can use force against him, so he can just say "no" if any country tried to arrest him. He could literally hike through these countries and, according to you, there's nothing they can do about it.
I literally never said either of those things and don't agree with them either. But whatever, I'm not gonna continue to argue if you're just going to make shit up.
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Yes you did, repeatedly. Lying dipshit
Go back to reddit you insufferable fucking loser
How do you think nations enforce their airspace normally?
You plan to not give passage with your amazing mind control skills?
Your "basic things" proposal needs to be pragmatic.
How do you think nations enforce their airspace normally?
I always assume that libs are dumb as fuck but this was just amazing. They don't know anything holy shit.
They've become worse than parodies of themselves at this point. Like, Netanyahu could literally drive through these countries and these white supremacists would be arguing "How could they possibly arrest him? He could just say no!"
They should withdraw from the icc then