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[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 days ago

But you do understand that money makes other people grow your food, right?

[-] ContactClosure@lemmus.org 1 points 1 day ago

I'd much rather grow my own food.

[-] BilliamBoberts@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

People grew food for eachother before capitalism. A book that opened my eyes to the various systems that people organized themselves under before capitalism monopolized world is The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity by David Graeber and David Wengrow.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Add: “The Way We Never Were” by Stephanie Coontz.

While she deals more specifically with society in the US she also covers things like how people didn’t really have or use money in society. Money was what rich people used, the rest of everyone traded and bartered work and goods for what they needed.

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org -3 points 6 days ago

People where mostly growing food for themselves and their family, not for each other. This changed when the first basic forms of capitalism where invented, things like markets, guilds, and skyrocketed with industrialization.

No other system that we tried ever worked as good and produced so much peace and prosperity like capitalism. Is it perfect? Fuck no! Nothing that involves humans could ever be. But it is the best we have from a bunch of broken and fucked up systems.

[-] ContactClosure@lemmus.org 1 points 1 day ago

People had markets and commerce for thousands of years before capitalism.

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Markets are a proto-form of capitalism. Producing something for the whole purpose to make a profit at a market is the core of capitalism.

[-] 28RipeBananas@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

What are you trying to say? People only grow food because of a financial incentive? We know that isnt true because agriculture is older than any monetary economic system. Money simply acts as a means of smoothing out larger trade volumes, you don't even need it for basic local trade.

Capitalism isn't even the only market system, so that doesn't really work either.

Capitalism is definitially a cancerous socioeconomic system. Prioritizing infinite growth in a finite system above all else inevitably causes systemic collapse on a long enough timeframe. Not to mention capitalism cannot hand the Matthew principle, aka power/money attracts power/money. Again, on a long enough timeframe inevitable leads to wealth disparities that collapse the system and society trying them.

The logic is plainly right there, staring us in the face that this cannot go on forever.

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