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McDonald's has been using artificial intelligence to dynamically price menu items in the US and some global markets, according to a report by Reuters. This involves finding the "optimal price" to match what a particular store's patrons would be willing to pay.

This fluctuates according to location, and even stores in the same city can have different cost amounts for the same exact items, according to information reviewed by Reuters. This is basically surge pricing, like with ride-share platforms, but for hockey puck burgers that have been sitting under a hot lamp.

Reuters got a look at the interface that franchisees use to access this technology and it's pretty creepy. Messages show stuff like "your restaurant is showing MEDIUM SENSITIVITY to price" based on "customer willingness to pay in your area." Cost differences at nearby locations can be stark. Researchers found that a Bic Mac at a Fresno, California store cost $5.69, but the same burger cost $6.89 at another branch two miles down the road. That's a 21 percent difference.

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[-] dropdrip@lemmy.ml 11 points 12 hours ago

The issue is that these are black boxes. No one but the authors of the system know what's happening. Law prevents Uber from increasing the price on a nearly flat mobile-computer? They didn't. That's just the normal price. Who has all the data? Only Uber. No one else. How then can you enforce such laws?

[-] madmantis24@lemmy.wtf 5 points 11 hours ago

This is the one aspect of "Tech" that is turning me from an enthusiast into an honest Luddite. Our systems of regulation are so weak and ineffective at catching up to these sorts of exploitative practices and by design that I don't see much being done to help people get ahead of this

[-] willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 hours ago

Regular audits have to be a necessary part of any such law.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 12 hours ago

Only allow flatrate pricing per distance and time?

[-] dropdrip@lemmy.ml 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

No government is going to enforce a universal flat-rate. However that doesn't prevent what I'm talking about. Uber can give everyone a different flat-rate. How would you know? You wouldn't. That's the problem. A friend gets charged a different flat-rate? Ok, now you know, but when the government goes to investigate Uber says, "well the flat-rate had to increase. It's now XXX." Again, the imbalance is enormous between the businesses that have the data and any external regulatory body that has to do footwork to get any data.

The same item sells for two different prices at separate stores? "Oh, that store just had a sale."

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

How would you know? You wouldn’t.

That's not necessarily true. It's ridiculously easy to find, especially in this example. Simply change your pickup address to the house next door.

People are much more perceptive about this activity than you give them credit for, and in fact, there's a whole sub-genre of content creator that focuses on it. There are also leakers. That documentation will find its way to local authorities and become actionable when the amount of it passes a certain threshold, not unlike the number of dead kids translating to FB having to go to court.

[-] dropdrip@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago

That’s not necessarily true. It’s ridiculously easy to find, especially in this example. Simply change your pickup address to the house next door.

Do you think that fools Uber into believing that the user using the same mobile-computer, the same account, the same data-connection and within the same travel patterns is now a completely different person?

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago

It's immaterial. Surveillance pricing algorithms aren't without their flaws, and in this case, it's relying too heavily on established patterns.

[-] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Except you know, all the cities that already do for taxis, which is what Uber is, regardless of how it tries to skirt around it. Get a taxi, the rate is literally posted on the side of the vehicle. Yes, taxis certainly have their own issues, but it's a sure whole lot more honest than Uber pricing, and that's the bottom of the barrel.

[-] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Yep. I’ve been saying for years that if ubers were regulated like taxis, they would cost the same amount as taxis, and the company would have no reason to exist. It’s not about using new tech to provide new services, it’s about using new tech to skirt regulation—and also the regulations existed for great reasons, and we get to rediscover why.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

How then can you enforce such laws?

The same way everything is enforced in billionaire-owned America: fines that, at the end of the day, are likely a minute fraction of a corporation's profits, though some states will be heavier-handed than others. The Federal Government does not lead on any issue that is of crucial importance to the consumer anymore, so the states are where the power of regulation lies. It's not ideal but something is better than nothing in this case.

Ultimately, how you fare in this ecosystem depends on your own digital hygiene. The best thing you can do for yourself is simply not consume these products in the first place, but that's not really an option for many who may live in food deserts or have no options for shopping but Walmart or Target, which is why some measure of regulation is inevitable in most of the states, I think.

My recommendation is to avoid pieces of software that mine your data, like Windows, apps, and certain Internet browsers, use a VPN on any device you use to access the Internet, and 100% avoid loyalty clubs. Old-school methods are best, like making a reservation over the phone for example.

[-] willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 hours ago

Tech hygene is necessary in the short term as damage mitigation, but this situation cannot be normalized.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Agreed.

The law is working slowly but deliberately. These bills, while new for now, will spread for sure.

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