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Flávio Bolsonaro poised to win Brazilian presidency after shock first-round victory
(www.theguardian.com)
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Bolsonaro didn't so people elected someone else. Lula (probably) didn't so people (probably would) elect someone else. In other words taking Lula out of power isn't some weird process but the same process that's been driving things. People tend to not keep in power someone who isn't improving their lives when their lives need improving.
yes but in this case, it's back to Bolsonaro.. it would be like USians electing Don Jr in 2028 and pretending it's not just more child pedophilia (although now that I say it, I am certain USinans would be that stupid)
Kinda like how they went from Trump to Biden to Trump. Or like Bush Sr -> Clinton -> Bush Jr? Whatever people are, it's what they are and if we want (assuming fellow lefty) them to support something else, that doesn't happen by putting someone who doens't deliver measurable gains for them. People who do that get high approvals and get re-elected and propaganda has tough time countering that.
Actually I think the Bush example is a bad one because I think that aspect of the 2016 election was memory-holed.
Originally the media was pushing Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton, and Clinton herself was so fucksure that was going to be the match up she pushed her media contacts to focus on lunatics like Ted Cruz and Donald Trump, trying to show people how crazy they were. She underestimated two things here.
People being tired of both the Bushes and the Clintons. Trump came in as an outsider and shook things up, as no one was enthusiastic for Jeb "please clap" Bush. Clinton used the fact that she was essentially funding the entire DNC apparatus to put the finger on the scale because no one was really excited for her either, although she never had an equivalent "please clap" moment.
How people saw politicians like Bush and Clinton as maneuvering and calculating and following the winds of popularity rather than facing difficult problems head on. As much as Clinton was right to peg Trump as a lunatic, she underestimated (I did and still do too, I don't get it) Trump's charisma. Her self assuredness that it would be her vs. Bush was a total misread of an era where people were sick of current politicians in general and any kind of outsider became appealing (the explosion of interest in Bernie Sanders is snother example in the same period).
Anyway I think the push for Bush . Clinton alienated a lot of voters from both. I remember it was a common complaint I heard at the time from both people on the left and right.
I think she also missed the fact that a lot of people wanted a lunatic. They were dissatisfied with "the system" and someone like Trump promised to blow the system up.
Which he has, frankly. Not the ideal way to go about it but it was effective. They're also starting to learn how good the old system was for them, too late alas.
JFC lol