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Nationalism makes no sense
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This is such neoliberal nonsense. I feel for you USians but to just attack the struggle for Irish independence is not the way to go. Please read a history book.
If you've done nothing for it, why are you personally proud of it?
It's the people who fought for Irish Independence who should be proud, very proud, of it, not some rando who shares with them nothing other than, purely by chance, having been born in the geographical area others freed from the British yoke, and a rando who for all we know if they had been born back then would've sided with the Brits.
Be proud of what you're doing now, not what totally different people did way back then. If you have no reasons to be proud of your own deeds, well then, that's on you.
In the country I was born in, the most loud celebrations of past national glories were done during the time of the Fascist dictatorship, when the country was such a poor shithole that it even got Food Aid from the rest of Europe. Interestingly, after the Revolution that brought Democracy, that stuff was seriously toned down.
National Pride is a scam to keep the plebes supporting whomever is in power now, long after the people that did the great deeds are dead and buried, as if the present day elites pillaging the leftover wealth of greater days when greater people built the country up are in any way, form or shape similar to those in power when the great deeds were done - Britain with their Empire and WWII obsessions is a great example of that.
I’m ashamed that my country 🇳🇱 just gave up and allowed the Nazis in. I’m proud that my country has succeeded in adding very progressive policies for poverty, work conditions, that pride can also be a source for inspiration.
The neoliberal movement of only thinking about one’s own actions and interests has gutted many social institutions and protections in my country.
I lived in The Netherlands for almost a decade (kan selfs nederlands spreeken)
There has been little to be proud of for the country in the last 2 decades or so - it has actually been going back in the good things it had.
Plenty of Dutch people still alive do have reason to be proud in what they did for the country 50 years ago or so, and I guess even today most should be proud on how Dutch culture is right now (most notably it's openness and tolerance), because they ARE part of making it what it is everyday, yet in lots of things (Economics, Wealth Discrimination, Fairness even the Openness and Tolerance) as far as I can tell of late the place has just been going backwards, which is nothing to be proud of.
More broadly and as I mentioned before, in my experience National Pride is mainly used to suppress pressure on the governing elites to improve the country, which is why the Fascist dictator in my homeland - Portugal - was so incredibly big on celebrating great things that were done by completely different people 500 years ago.
My experience living in Britain is pretty similar - the very people fucking up the country by mismanaging it like crazy (most notably with Brexit) were the ones most loudly proud of the Empire and Britain's role in WWII.
And, no, I'm not proud of my homeland, Portugal.