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Troy Hunt has been a pillar in the cybersecurity community with his Have I Been Pwned project for many, many years, even walked back a purchase of it because he felt they would compromise the principles of the project. But now he has just gone all-in on AI. On a previous Weeky Update he published a "Robophobia Equality Policy" after receiving pushback to his openclaw usage. Since then he has posted more of his usage of AI, and in the latest he suggest that "people are getting into the program" because he seems to be receiving less pushback and because of Linus' affirmations
That's an interesting approach, to declare that everyone who says it "doesn't really mean it"
Linus' take was more nuanced, I'm not sure I agree, but at the same time he was talking up AI, he also expressed that he saw it as useful for onboarding, review, and throwaway efforts in fields you don't get. Also he made the caveat that he doesn't really code the kernel so much anymore, so he explicitly stated he had lost some perspective. Also that it wasn't suitable for full-on "vibing" maintainable code. However AI bros have gone all in on feeling vindicated and feeling like Linus said the kernel should be vibe coded now.
What I saw was mainly AI haters that couldn't form a well thought out take, saying that Linus has gone full slop and the kernel is now slop-first.
The debate was killed before even starting because one side can't express anything other than "slop", and refuse to hear the full arguments presented.
While it is a fair observation that critics also failed to recognize nuance in Torvald's take, it is a bit wild to assert that it was 'mainly AI haters' that didn't get the nuance in a post specifically about someone so pro-AI they declare that everyone agrees with their take, and even people who claim otherwise don't mean it and secretly agree with him, and that Torvalds gave an unequivocal thumbs up to full on vibe coding.
Is there an argument to be made other than slop? All i have seen as far as arguments for is: "this other thing is slop, so why can't I slop here?", "what if it's only a little bit of slop" or "what if I serve you slop anyway and you don't notice". I don't care if you only put a thimbleful of dogshit in your soup, it's still shit soup.
Nah there's opinionated idiots on both sides, one is organically ignorant and the other is parroting corporate published ignorance
Thanks for proving my point
Ouch you should read over the posts, I definitely did not.
No, the anti-AI side gave plenty of well constructed arguments and rebutals about the societal effects, the limits of LLMs, the way it exploits artists, why agentic coding is unsustainable and bad, the blatant attempts at cutting income to people who are struggling like artists and designers, the complete and utter lack of care displayed by corporations and the sheer lack of respect displayed by everyone drinking the AI kool aid.
The pro-AI response has endlessly been repeating "its just a tool and its inevitable and if you dont like it you're a Luddite who's never tried or researched AI" (Even as the people who draw "anti-AI" conclusions or point out the negatives and limits of this technology turn out to have done extensive research and experimentation on machine learning and LLMs and realized that this was a dead end that was going to reach mediocrity at best) and now this narrative that the anti-AI side is disrespectful and bigoted (fucking rich coming from proponents lf a technology that has been shown to be biased against minorities from the very beginning; image recognition STILL keeps mistaking black men for apes and gemini tends to assume trans women are predators, not to mention the utter insanity that is to pretend locking everything behind models that require strong, modern computers is somehow giving power to poor countries, also the fact that most of the people behind this push are besties with Thiel, you know, the guy that is the absolute worst of all these tendencies)
We're fucking sick of the endless disrespect and self-victimization that slop makers constantly peddle and the gall to call us the ones that are delusional and disrespectful. Anyone who has seen the arguments and debates and hasnt come out with an unbridled hatred for this piece of shit that has made life in this planet worse for everyone with no benefit for anyone that isnt a corpo fuck is worthless and can go fuck themselves
Thanks for taking the time to write a complete response. I'm not pro AI but I couldn't help but see all the responses (including to my comment) that limit the thought process to AI=slop, which completely destroys any hope of civic discourse on the subject. There are many kneejerk reactions to anything AI and thought terminating cliché that makes discussing this topic highly toxic.
I see that the topic is highly sensitive for many here, and it is best to leave this community fester on its own hatred.
opinion discarded. caveman brain take.