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How shitty standards stick around
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Meanwhile everyone is using Discord (still after Chinese funding, enshittification, age verification)
A fringe moved to non federated options Fluxer Haven Stoat
Matrix is too expensive to host, xmpp has no clients to use IRC can’t even edit a message.
Editing messages is for cowards. Just dno't make mistake.
Hahaha
you say that like if it were a bad thing
*You say that as if it were a bad thing.
Why is matrix expensive?
If someone uploads a photo or video, the server hosts it and sends to everyone.
Expensive
Isn't that how it's supposed to work? What's the alternate model?
I think they meant each server hosts the same files, not just the home server.
Here's how Fluxer plans on doing it: https://fluxer.app/blog/roadmap-2026#why-polyproto-and-not-matrix
Just don't federate, it isn't expensive then!
Of give each user like 50mb of space then make them use a link for God's sake
Can you choose to host it without video and limited image size?
You can limit upload size.
people think anything more than 2cores and 2gb of ram is to much. Plus there is a lightweight 400mb matrix but its ignored.
There are plenty of XMPP clients out there that work great... finding one that supports all the features you actually care about...now that's the hard part. XMPP has too many opt in extensions and it's very hit and miss with clients
The problem is that the only one XEP that could allow for a Discord-like UX (XEP-0503: Server-Side Spaces) that, let's admit, is the best one for many (I, in example, prefer that UX over the IRC or plain contacts + MUCs list UX [like, the WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram or most XMPP clients), is only actually used in one client (Movim), and only other one has discussed implementing it (Gajim, that has something like a Client-Side Spaces impl that is really prone to break up), has only done that, discuss it.
And why it's a Discord-like UX better, in my opinion?
Because it allows for more structured, focused and topic-based conversation and discussion. That's why that UX has gotten so popular among not only gamers, but also among students, freelancers, creative groups, or even scientists and companies. It's less prone to become a mess than a plain list where everything is mixed up.
A bare minimum includes: Editing, notifications, 1-1 calls, group calls voip, emoji reactions, discord servers aka matrix space aka fluxer community, mobile app.
Sorry but nothing in the xmpp space gets close. I’m looking for a viable Discord alternative not a gTalk competitor from 10 years ago.
Yes, you basically restated my point, I'm not really disagreeing, but saying there aren't any clients isn't really the case either.
That reminds me, I should try to set up a Bolt bridge for my Discord-Stoat server pair again.
Chinese funding, nothing wrong with that. A CEO funding genocide however.
Uygur genocide is not real, thank you brother Xi