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submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Edit: I intentionally put "bad people" in the title in order to provoke. ๐Ÿ˜Š

If you don't know what I'm talking about:

Death Note

Black Mirror - Hated in the Nation

I'm not sure how to limit the scope of this discussion, since it touches upon so many areas of morale:

  • the value of life
  • the right to kill
  • vengeance/revenge
  • crime
  • good and evil

So I encourage you to be articulate and to follow some structure: "what(thesis) - why(evidence) - what (thesis)". Other easy to follow variations, such as "why(background + evidence) - what(thesis)" or "what - why - what - by the way(discussion)" or just a simple "what" are of course good too. I'm not trying exclude comments, and I won't, just encouraging an easy to read discussion. As for me:

I would not kill using a Death Note, unless for some utterly personal vendetta. I would also not kill those that did, if we were talking about some sort of society wide phenomenon. I believe that taking action against human life on the macro scale, such as a nation state against another or such as one confined justice system against one of its subjects (state versus an individual, for instance) or in the fictive case of the above mentioned media, is wrong. This is because I don't believe it right to through politics or legislation qualify or quantify the value of a human life, such as is done in jurisdictions that allow capital punishment. While I'm against such "marco actions" on human life, I for some reason have less of a problem empathizing with the individual victims involved, which is to say, I don't think I'd rage against, say, a grieving mother avenging her murdered child by killing the murderer. But then again, not all individuals have the ability or the capacity to exact revenge and maybe they have to rely on their nation state for some kind of restitution? My opinion is probably logical mess, full of contradictions, but there it is. Feel free to poke holes, in a kind manner!

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[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Certainly. Not because of grief though, revenge is not a good reason, but because many issues worldwide would be fixed with targeted assassinations and it would avoid much bloodshed (since the other option is war, civil or otherwise). Also, imagine the fear the peers of those targeted would feel, they'd think it's God's doing or something, and that might stop them from pursuing their antihuman activities.

Ps: idk about killing those who did, how could I be sure that whoever is being problematic (idk, some MAGA dude with the book just murdering innocents because they're brown or Muslim or trans) would be the one I'd kill? A world with many Death Notes makes it all very confusing. But if I could 100% know this dude is the one just murdering innocents, I'd target him as well, ofc. If I can stop a crazy serial killer with the stroke of a pen, why wouldn't I do it?!

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I thought God was pretty against murder.

I seem to recall that you think drinking a beer fully corrupts an individual, so seeing that murder isn't a problem for you it kinda confirms my theory that you're a troll.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I thought God was pretty against murder.

Depending on the religion god has commanded quite a fuck load of murder.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I'm not talking about religion contradicting itself. That's obvious. I'm talking about this troll doing so. They claim to be super religious which means they are forbidden from murdering.

If I take a hit on Netanyahu or a random mass murdering maniac, what would the problem be? Do you think they'd be convinced to stop with pretty words? Do you think having the capacity to empower the victims to fight back against their oppressors (which is not the premise of the post even) wouldn't just create more unnecessary deaths? Or do you think passively accepting the status quo when you actually have the power to make things better is somehow the righteous option? ๐Ÿค”

Think for two seconds, remembering that God is the Wise, and tell me in earnest that passivity in a world of horrors is what God would want, especially if you were given supernatural powers!

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

It's not me you have to convince, it's the God you pretend to believe in.

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm not trying to convince you, I'm explaining things to you, lol. And, much like at least a quarter of the world, I'm not pretending, you just don't have the capacity to understand belief in God... God willing that'll change, though.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I know the basic facts about your religion. It's pretty clear that murder is forbidden. You love to distract from inconvenient truths, but it never works. You just admitted you'd wholeheartedly commit the cardinal sin of sins. So, cool?

You really know nothing, Jon Snow, and you stand by nothing either else you would've replied with what you think is right in this scenario. And you don't wanna think either. Why must you pester me, when you could just block me? If you wanna have a chat, just DM me.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

lol I won't be told by a hypocrite to turn my head. I don't owe you my opinion either, even if I thought you actually care. Which you definitely don't.

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