12 Monkeys s2e5 "Bodies of Water"
After finishing Fringe, decided to watch 12 Monkeys, since writer/director Terry Matalas wrote season 3 of Picard. Not to mention cramming the 3 male leads into various parts. Most notably Todd Stashwick (Deacon) as Captain Shaw. Unsurprisingly, Matalas is doing similar with his work on VisionQuest. Better than expected so far.
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My old man Hot Take: New trek (with the exception of Lower Decks) has damaged the chances of more Trek.
People just wanted a solid TNG/VOY/DS9 era type show, focused on single episode arcs that were thinly vieled philosophy discussions/elements from old sci-fi pulp transposed into the Trek world.
They didn't want Netflix slow burners that deal with gritty personal issues like rape, and torture. Don't get me wrong those things were mentioned in other shows, but in the safety of strength, group processing, metaphor, and 1990s carpetted sets. Not in disorienting darkness with someone portraying complex trauama whilst still a captive victim for multiple episodes.
Trek is supposed to help people process modernity. Not hold them under by re-traumatising them with a gritty real Netflix takes.
WHEN Miles O'Brien is tortured it happens on a bright set and we all joke about it because it's an impossible kind of sci-fi torture. When discovery does it, it's a guy in a dark cell confessing the Klingons raped him repeatedly.
We needed good guys, not good guys who tortured a slug whilst being victims themselves and it's all a mirrror universe episode - because god everyone loved those right? \s
It was the classic "We don't want to listen to fans, we want to break the limits and leave a mark"... Well good fucking job. Literally if they made Star Trek, only the ships were tank shaped, and the Klingons were suddendly going by the name "Iraqis" I don't think I'd even notice. The concepts/franchises are just damaged now. They Trumped it up into something it's not.
God thank you. A perfect example of this was Picard season 2.
What they did was go back to the bad timeline and showed everything we're doing wrong and shoved our noses into. I remember them looking at the forest fires and the tear coming down and she said it's already starting. Fucking thanks. I already feel like shit about the state of our planet, thanks for making me feel worse about the future instead of optimistic.
They tackled climate change in TNG elegantly. The realized warp technology was destroying an area of space. Geordi was against it because he didn't want to admit his life's dedication might actually be hurting space and others. They all worked together to come up with a temporary solution with goals to fix it long term. That was the optimistic future show I wanted to watch, showing that humans couldn't past the differences of today to solve real problems.
It's why TNG gets regular rewatches while I've never watched Picard again. If I want doomsday shit I'll watch literally all the other shows ever made. I watch star trek because I'm feeling sad and want a shred of hope.
I get what you're going for, but lets not do DS9 a disservice. "Hard Time" was literally and figuratively dark as fuck. He nearly vaporized himself on the promenade because he didn't know how to live with the guilt of his virtual murder.
Those episodes were a rare exception, not the rule. They worked because it wasn’t normally like that. That reservation, and Star Trek’s episodic formula allowed you to skip them if necessary.
A 30 second moment, that was resolved through the power of his friendship with Bashir and the love of his wives (Bashir and Keiko), and his coworker - Bashir, and he's fine next episode...
...Discovery would have trauma farmed the reprocussions for a whole season. I'm really glad there weren't any kids on that ship. Some shows I feel like I'm safe with and I can trust the writers. Discovery is not one of them.
However, I've been enjoying Space Princinct on YouTube waaay too much, so maybe I'm just basic.
I think it's okay to not give people what they want IF AND ONLY IF you give them something they didn't know they wanted yet instead. NuTrek was so bad at that though (Pic S3, LD, and some of SNW notwithstanding).
I think you’re definitely onto something here about the tone and string being a psychological buffer. It was kinda the point of Trek.
And Nu Trek just being a catastrophe in the end. Yea, most likely.