12 Monkeys s2e5 "Bodies of Water"
After finishing Fringe, decided to watch 12 Monkeys, since writer/director Terry Matalas wrote season 3 of Picard. Not to mention cramming the 3 male leads into various parts. Most notably Todd Stashwick (Deacon) as Captain Shaw. Unsurprisingly, Matalas is doing similar with his work on VisionQuest. Better than expected so far.
just hire Ron Moore! he knows the deal.
It's the new shopkeepers that are the big roadblock. Not that I wouldn't welcome him back as a showrunner.
babylon 5 could have been insane if they have more than 10 dollars to spend per episode.
I started the Ark on recommendations from folks over on Mastodon. Seems like a good option as well. I'm only a few episodes in, but it seems like they are using the idea of "these are the best of humanity," which I always love to see.
I do think Trek is going to be gone for a while, officially, at least on screen, but I think we should see this as more of an opportunity. Last time, there were multiple attempts to get fan shows going. This time, I think we should all embrace fan fiction intentionally. Show the cronies that we don't need their corporate input to make good Star Trek
where the fuck is stargate
amazon cancelled it because the execs wanted it to be more "broad with inclusivity", it was never going to survive anyways on 10episodes, plus sgu soured peoples taste.
That means the execs don't think the show is pandering to enough buzz-generating issues.
Amazon killed it.
My old man Hot Take: New trek (with the exception of Lower Decks) has damaged the chances of more Trek.
People just wanted a solid TNG/VOY/DS9 era type show, focused on single episode arcs that were thinly vieled philosophy discussions/elements from old sci-fi pulp transposed into the Trek world.
They didn't want Netflix slow burners that deal with gritty personal issues like rape, and torture. Don't get me wrong those things were mentioned in other shows, but in the safety of strength, group processing, metaphor, and 1990s carpetted sets. Not in disorienting darkness with someone portraying complex trauama whilst still a captive victim for multiple episodes.
Trek is supposed to help people process modernity. Not hold them under by re-traumatising them with a gritty real Netflix takes.
WHEN Miles O'Brien is tortured it happens on a bright set and we all joke about it because it's an impossible kind of sci-fi torture. When discovery does it, it's a guy in a dark cell confessing the Klingons raped him repeatedly.
We needed good guys, not good guys who tortured a slug whilst being victims themselves and it's all a mirrror universe episode - because god everyone loved those right? \s
It was the classic "We don't want to listen to fans, we want to break the limits and leave a mark"... Well good fucking job. Literally if they made Star Trek, only the ships were tank shaped, and the Klingons were suddendly going by the name "Iraqis" I don't think I'd even notice. The concepts/franchises are just damaged now. They Trumped it up into something it's not.
God thank you. A perfect example of this was Picard season 2.
What they did was go back to the bad timeline and showed everything we're doing wrong and shoved our noses into. I remember them looking at the forest fires and the tear coming down and she said it's already starting. Fucking thanks. I already feel like shit about the state of our planet, thanks for making me feel worse about the future instead of optimistic.
They tackled climate change in TNG elegantly. The realized warp technology was destroying an area of space. Geordi was against it because he didn't want to admit his life's dedication might actually be hurting space and others. They all worked together to come up with a temporary solution with goals to fix it long term. That was the optimistic future show I wanted to watch, showing that humans couldn't past the differences of today to solve real problems.
It's why TNG gets regular rewatches while I've never watched Picard again. If I want doomsday shit I'll watch literally all the other shows ever made. I watch star trek because I'm feeling sad and want a shred of hope.
I get what you're going for, but lets not do DS9 a disservice. "Hard Time" was literally and figuratively dark as fuck. He nearly vaporized himself on the promenade because he didn't know how to live with the guilt of his virtual murder.
Those episodes were a rare exception, not the rule. They worked because it wasn’t normally like that. That reservation, and Star Trek’s episodic formula allowed you to skip them if necessary.
A 30 second moment, that was resolved through the power of his friendship with Bashir and the love of his wives (Bashir and Keiko), and his coworker - Bashir, and he's fine next episode...
...Discovery would have trauma farmed the reprocussions for a whole season. I'm really glad there weren't any kids on that ship. Some shows I feel like I'm safe with and I can trust the writers. Discovery is not one of them.
However, I've been enjoying Space Princinct on YouTube waaay too much, so maybe I'm just basic.
People just wanted a solid TNG/VOY/DS9 era type show, focused on single episode arcs that were thinly vieled philosophy discussions/elements from old sci-fi pulp transposed into the Trek world
I think it's okay to not give people what they want IF AND ONLY IF you give them something they didn't know they wanted yet instead. NuTrek was so bad at that though (Pic S3, LD, and some of SNW notwithstanding).
I think you’re definitely onto something here about the tone and string being a psychological buffer. It was kinda the point of Trek.
And Nu Trek just being a catastrophe in the end. Yea, most likely.
Time travel stories usually have glaring contradictions and paradoxes that defeat the whole story - for example, if you travel to the past and prevent WWII, you would grow up never knowing about it because it didn't happen, and thus no reason to go back in time to stop it. I haven't seen the 12 Monkeys series yet but the movie did a fantastic job of avoiding or hiding those glitches.
Haven't heard of Lexx before, adding it to my watch list. But it makes me wonder what other sci-fi I've missed. Gather, Nerds, and enlighten me, please.
Lexi is super fucking weird but great. It might take a while to get into, it has a very different vibe than anything else, but it's fantastic.
Lexx is awesome and strange, with a middle-aged janitor as the main character. Stargate is also great, with enough spinoffs to keep you entertained for quite a while.
Academy also has an S2, not sure if that drops first.
Honestly, I'm kinda happy for Trek to go on hiatus for a while. The Discovery era has been more miss than hit, especially if only considering the mainline live action shows (DSC, PIC, SNW) and with the Skydance acquisition I'm not looking forward to Ellison Trek.
Maybe in another few years, with fresh writers and show runners who are actual Trek fans, etc. but for now, give it some distance and let the influence of Kurtzman/Orci/Abrams be left behind.
and with the Skydance acquisition I’m not looking forward to Ellison Trek.
My conspiracy theory brain thinks Ellison et al purposely sabotaged Trek.
thought they cancelled academy, because it was so bad?
I need to watch Fringe. Somehow that one passed me by, and I still haven't gotten around to watching that.
I started watching Fringe expecting X-Files 2, but it developed into a really long main arc that was intricate and awesome.
You will love Walter Bishop.
Also, The Orville season 4 is a confirmed thing,. But the actual release date is still up in the air.
There’s also additional rumors of a handful of TV movies that seems to be separate from the upcoming season, but those are unconfirmed.
They're certainly dragging their heels on it.
I believe the Digital Dean speaks for us all.
The Orville Season 4 - Life After Retirement
nutrek is just a continuation of JJ-abrams style of directing, none of the current shows are that good in general. the animated series were much better though. i dont think bsg can replicate the reimagined series unfortunately if it were to come out now.
BSG and Lexx do things... But they don't really scratch that star trek itch. The others? Totally. But those two are as far from trek as the caretaker could reach.
TIL there’s a 12 Monkeys TV show. Thought it was just a one-off movie
Matalas took the core idea and created a whole new lore. Very timey-whimey. Great cast and music. There's even a Groundhog Day episode, complete with tongue-in-cheek reference.
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