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[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

The main advantage nuclear has is size. It can produce more power per hectare of land than either solar or wind can, and this will be even more the case if the small scale reactors that Canada has been researching ever become a thing - basically a power plant in a shipping container, meant to service remote communities.

[-] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

People have been trying to do small scale fission for decades. They always slam headfirst into the square cubed law and the fact that fission plants were built giant for a damn good reason. Fission is so cost inefficient that the only remote hope you can have of making it profitable is if you build giant reactors and hope for big economies of scale. The hope of building small reactors on assembly lines has proven to be a pipe dream. Many have tried it, and it has failed again and again.

[-] meltedcheese@c.im 2 points 4 days ago

@Omgpwnies @technology Power density and the ability to generate large amounts of power quickly. There is less need for new methods of power storage (e.g., batteries).

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Which is definitely helpful for utility that's constrained by space. For instance, with the nuclear powered freight shipping that Jiangnan Shipyard is looking to pioneer.

But for urban grid power or industrial production at the continental scale, space isn't an issue. One reason why states like Texas and California are running away with renewable power even in the face of hostile political headwinds. Real estate is far cheaper than the energy is produces.

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

For the places that have enough land and environmental conditions suitable for wind/solar, that is true. In remote communities, just getting the materials for a wind farm there is incredibly difficult if there's no warm water port for a ship to deliver the blades for instance. A nuclear reactor in a shipping container can be driven by transport on the logging roads or even air-lifted in. It's not a universal solution, it's something specific to fit a community's unique needs.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

For the places that have enough land and environmental conditions suitable for wind/solar, that is true.

Again, who doesn't have this access?

In remote communities, just getting the materials for a wind farm there is incredibly difficult

Remote communities don't have the kind of energy demand that nuclear power fulfills. Nevermind how it's always going to be more expensive to build a nuclear generator than a big fan connected to a dynamo.

It’s not a universal solution

It doesn't need to be, when the bulk of what we're trying to replace is coal and natural gas.

[-] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago

I agree with this; I think the "universal" argument and subsequent infighting is propped up by the oil lobby to slow us down. I just think it's important to highlight how efficient nuclear is. We should be using both good tools to solve this and part of that is knowing how good both are so they're not unnecessarily ignored.

[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

That argument holds for existing proven tech like large nuclear and solar, but convincing governments to invest in unproven and unlikly tech is a great way to prevent actual transition to occur at all. They sop up cash and give governments reasons to build nothing now, or eventually build expensive tiny demonstration systems that do not effect the overall fossil fuel market. That list would include things like small modular reactors, hydrogen power, fusion, etc.

[-] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

i am very divided over SMRs, but large traditional reactors have been proven many times over, and in any case investing in unproven tech (by any government but the US) is what led solar to be this good now in the first place

[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

Yes. But in proving them, we learned that efficiency of scale is required.

[-] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago

not sure what that means. large traditional reactors are a lot more efficient, especially at scale, though more costly due to historical and current lack of subsidies.

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Again, who doesn't have this access?

There are communities in northern Ontario that are only accessibly by airplane ~6 months of the year, and those 6 months also have very low amounts of sunlight. They're not quite north enough to be completely dark all day, but they only get a few hours of useable light per day in the winter.

This means that a) solar is less effective in the winter, and b) if there is damage to a wind turbine blade in the winter, they may not be able to get a replacement until spring.

Remote communities don't have the kind of energy demand that nuclear power fulfills

Each reactor cell produces about 1MW, which is about enough to power a small town of about 1,000 people. They can also be air-lifted meaning if it needs to be replaced during the winter, that is still possible.

[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

SMRs will be neat if they actually work, but there is no demostration that they can be remotely economically feasible. Even considering carbon emissions, it would be cheaper and more effective to improve the carbon footprint of the main power grid by a tiny fraction of a percent and then just give those small northern communities modern fossil fuel plants, maybe supplemented with renewables over time.

For large northern communities, grid connections are going to be the eventual solution either way.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

if there is damage to a wind turbine blade in the winter, they may not be able to get a replacement until spring.

And if there's damage to a nuclear facility?

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

They hook it up to a helicopter and take it away. It's literally in a shipping container.

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