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[-] Linken@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I've seen plenty of conservatives say they'd rather have a loud data center than quiet solar farm near their home.

I don't understand.

[-] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Possibly because the main data center companies are US held, while solar progress is much more international. Conservatives don't see the world as "emissions vs technical progress", but rather as "us vs foreign aliens".

[-] Cheebus@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

it’s crazy how close to post scarcity utopia we can get but you get these chuckle fuck red hats that are just hell bent on letting billionaires revert us back to feudalism

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[-] rafoix@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

It's cognitive dissonance of reality not aligning with the propaganda that indoctrinated them. They will never like it because words like clean, renewable and green are evil incarnate but they cannot give a proper logical explanation.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Well the solar farm uses tons of water and power, causing shortages and high prices, creates a giant eyesore of a building that will be worse than a dead mall when the bubble pops, and generates a crapload of noise and pollution. …… oh wait, that’s not solar

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[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 137 points 5 days ago

Turns out we already have fusion power, it's just been placed safely 149.6 million km away. The solution to energy independence comes up every morning.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 18 points 5 days ago

All energy comes from the sun except for geothermal which comes from the Earth's rotational momentum which might as well be the sun because it wouldn't rotate without something to orbit around.

[-] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 35 points 5 days ago

Technically nuclear came from a different star. The sun won't create those kinds of heavier elements until it burns through its hydrogen and helium fuel to start fusing its way up to lead, and I don't think it's massive enough to actually reach the kind of supernova collapse required to smash lesser elements together into heavier elements than that in any significant amount. So technically, fission is the only the form of energy that isn't based on solar. It's just the still-cooling-embers leftover from someone else's dying star, a whole bunch of billions of years ago. I guess you could say the sun's gravity at least attracted it all into this general vicinity though, at least until the Earth's own gravity started pulling its own weight.

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[-] Hegar@fedia.io 204 points 5 days ago

Nuclear plants - with high start-up costs, national security risks and high output - will always require concentrating large amounts of power in few hands.

Solar has much greater potential for decentralization.

Greater inequality results in a worse society in just about every imaginable way. And nuclear will always encourage that more than solar.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 52 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yeah, damn governments holding all the uranium for themselves. It's just not fair.

[-] iknewitwhenisawit@fedinsfw.app 25 points 5 days ago

My son would argue that governments should have invested heavily in thorium reactor technology instead.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

That is remains a cool potential technology, but why spend billions of dollars trying to develop a worse technology when solar already exists and for much cheaper? It’s just being sidetracked while letting investors enrich themselves on government research money

Plus it harkens back to the old adage about base power. No, we don’t need base power when we have large scale grid storage. Thats just coal propaganda

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 29 points 5 days ago

That is remains a cool potential technology, but why spend billions of dollars trying to develop a worse technology when solar already exists and for much cheaper?

This was the exact same argument made against solar. We should research and improve energy technologies. I doubt Thorium is the solution, but we've discovered a lot of our technology by researching something else and then discovering an interesting function or byproduct unrelated to the original goals.

Plus space exploration will need to be nuclear.

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[-] BigMacHole@thelemmy.club 80 points 5 days ago

You mean we can make FREE ENERGY in our BACKYARD for almost NO Money? This is TERRIBLE!

-LITERALLY Conservatives!

[-] jestho@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 days ago

I heard Hunter's laptop ran on solar energy!!

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[-] Joelk111@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Don't y'all know everything is made from oil and this is why we should keep burning the stuff to never see it again?

-Also LITERALLY Conservatives

Edit: one of the relevant Climate Town videos

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[-] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 4 days ago

headline is clickbait. here's the only thing it relies on:

According to new reporting by the BBC, photovoltaics will account for 10 percent of the world’s power generation by the end of 2026, a threshold which will see solar energy officially surpass nuclear fission.

Compared to nuclear energy generation — which has stayed largely flat over the past 26 years globally — the publication notes the volume of solar energy being generated has exploded, increasing some 2,700 times over across the same period.

so it's saying that nuclear usage share is so low that solar will very soon generate more power than it, not that solar panels are now more efficient than nuclear

[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago

How do you read "solar is more efficient than Nuclear" from that title? And what would that even mean? The title is clearly about the amount of solar power generation, not efficiency.

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[-] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 96 points 5 days ago

Technically solar power is nuclear power ☝️🤓

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 39 points 5 days ago

All power is solar power if you go deep enough. Or to be more accurate, stellar power.

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 65 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

While I consider myself pro nuclear, there is something that gets forgotten everytime this conversation comes up.

Nuclear produces waste, which is mentioned often but it is usually responded by pointing out that it could be recycled and the worse to be buried.

Here is what people miss:

Are all our nuclear waste handled correctly today? If not then why should we imply that they will be in the future.

The problem with nuclear isn’t that the waste is impossible to handle, it’s that humans are too short sighted to follow through with it.

And imo that’s a very valid argument on why we should use solar as much as we can.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago

While I consider myself pro nuclear, there is something that gets forgotten everytime this conversation comes up.

The problem with nuclear isn’t that the waste is impossible to handle, it’s that humans are too short sighted to follow through with it.

Thats not even the biggest problem with nuclear power as the waste angle, at scale, will hit us decades in the future. The more urgent problem hitting us now on even on existing deployed nuclear plants is cooling water.

The byproduct of nuclear power generation is lots AND LOTS of waste heat. You have to get rid of this every second to continue to produce electricity. This is why nuclear power plants are typically built next to a large body of water. However, with reduced water supplies in reseviors theres less water to use for cooling nuclear plants. A double whammy is with climate change increasing temperatures, the water that remains is already hotter than it was, meaning it can carry away even less heat.

If a plant can't get rid of its heat it needs to curtail (reduce) electricity production. This isn't just theoretical. Its happening now in 2026 to existing power plants:

At the time when Europe was experiencing its worst heatwave is recorded history, many European reactors had to be turned down or off. 2026 isn't the first time this has happened either, you can go back in the last 5 years or so and see many reports of nuclear plant curtailment because of lack of cooling capacity (cool water).

When we know global temperature are rising, it looks like this will just get worse. How can we say nuclear is the future when the conditions for it working well are already declining?

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[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

Being pro-nuclear was a very valid position up until a few years ago. Now solar has gotten so cheap that there is practically no reason to do it except to protect yourself against US imperialism.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 24 points 4 days ago

nuclear power is expensive to maintain, plus needs all those expertise. and building the power plant takes like a decade+, and then you have to deal regulatory issues.

solar, you can pratically put that anywhere on the cheap.

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[-] abc@suppo.fi 84 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Solar is great but so is nuclear. They have different use cases, we need both.

Nukes are very expensive to build, but easily the cheapest energy is that you have a nuclear power plant up already and you keep it running. Germany royally fucked that one up.

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[-] AlSweigart@lemmy.zip 24 points 4 days ago

We could have had this 30 years ago. There have been improvements in the tech and manufacturing, but the main reason for the price drop has been the scale of sales.

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[-] lench@lemmy.zip 25 points 4 days ago

We included solar panels and a battery when we built our new house in Tokyo, and even though it’s in a quite shadowy area, I’m surprised how much power we get out of them (even on cloudy days). Switching to an EV now too. It’s an absolute no-brainer.

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[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 37 points 5 days ago

Averaging nuclear over the entire world really doesn't give it a fair shake, since there are many jurisdictions that won't build nuclear capacity for political and societal-preference reasons, rather than technical ones. Where I am, the percentage of electricity supplied by nuclear power plants is more than five times what's supplied by solar and wind combined, and we're doing just fine (and building out more nuclear in addition to more renewables).

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[-] eicker@lemmy.world 55 points 5 days ago

Turns out the sun has a few competitive advantages over nuclear: free fuel, no radioactive waste, and it doesn’t need a decade of permits before it starts shining. The real bottleneck now is grids and storage. Imagine losing the energy race to a giant fusion reactor 93 million miles away. 😎

[-] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 5 days ago

It has its issues, but yeah currently it is the cheapest source of power, it got so cheep that individuals can build their personal power plant for their home.

And we still have idiots fighting it. Even if you don't care about environment (you are "drill baby drill" kind of person) it still makes sense economically.

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[-] MasutaHarada@thelemmy.club 32 points 5 days ago

Big star object provide energy for everyone for most of day, it s possible now to make it available for entire day with battery tech, affordable with less waste and risk than old fossils energy. Sounds good and should applied to all of place asap.

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