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I think we have a disagreement about what counts as a weapon.
The missles that the US military willfully deployed to triple tap the children’s school in Iran were weapons. The AI “Targeting systems” that told them that children’s school was a valid target is not a “weapon” in the sense that it doesn’t do anything other than identify “targets”.
The purpose of this is to allow the user to knowingly commit war crimes, while being able to put the accountability for target acquisition onto the AI.
Israel uses it in the same way to prosecute their ongoing genocide of the Palestinians.
Do you know of an alternate way in which the AI is being used as a weapon? I haven’t heard of one, but i would be interested to learn new information.
(To be clear, I am in no way pro-AI, and i do not think the way that it is being used in war is acceptable. I just don’t think an LLM constitutes a weapon in and of itself)
Bullets are weapons, guns are not weapons.
Thats not a great analogy
A gun doesn’t obfuscate your accountability
It would be more accurate of my argument to say “carbombs are weapons, cars are not weapons”
Neither of those analogies cover the element of obfuscating accountability tho, which again, is what they are using the AI to do.
You do not need AI to blow up a children’s school.
You use the AI so you can say “oops, i didn’t mean to triple tap that children’s school, the computer told me it was terrorists”
The fact that AI obfuscates responsibility doesn't actually change its role. AI trained to pick targets are obviously weapons.
They're just autonomous weapons, or maybe more similar to mines. Set it and forget it! If they walk on the mine, that's their fault.
My understanding of the way theyre using it is that it is not directly in charge of munitions.
Which is to say, the AI does not fire the missle, a human fires the missle. That human is (theoretically) able to dodge accountability because they just pretend to believe what the AI says is completely accurate.
Imagine a sniper rifle with a thermal scope. The scope is detachable, it can be used without the gun, but not as a weapon. The gun can be used without the scope, as a weapon, and has other methods of target acquisition available (iron sights if nothing else).
When you look through the thermal scope you see a heat signiature, but it obfuscates if the target is an enemy or a civilian. So using the heat scope allows you to pretend that you thought the civilians you murdered were actually enemy combatants.
A mine doesn’t need a human to detonate it, and the powers that be are not (yet) psychotic enough to give control of the weapons systems to the AI.
I'm still not sure how you're getting "doesn't count as a weapon" from that.
A thermal scope that obfuscates the target sure as shit seems like it's a weapon designed to kill civilians.
The scope is not a weapon, it doesn’t have to be attached to the gun, and can be used non-violently without a gun.
The gun does not need the scope to function, and the gun essentially only functions violently.
Do you think a plate is food?
A gun needs a bullet to function. It can not be used as a weapon without a bullet.
Therefore, guns are not weapons. Guns are plates.
Aight, you’re either a troll or incredibly dense, so I’m out
They can use them to hack, yeah, thats fair.
What do you mean by “locally in silencing disobedience”?
It’s not better than propaganda, it’s still propaganda, quality aside.
The term “locally” would imply that they are on your home network, which I don’t see happening for most people.
Don’t be a defeatist, we are not fucked.
The disaster that’s coming is a financial one, not some Terminator skynet bullshit, lmao
There are also surveillance dangers, but the people have been doing a surprisingly good job of circumventing that.
If you believe what you’re saying then you should do something about it other than ruminate on the internet
Did you even read this article dude? Lmao
It doesn’t mention AI once, actual human hackers did this, and they were only able to do it because the supermarket was dumb enough to let a computer control all of their refrigerators.
Read the article.
They got the credentials through phishing.
Do you understand what phishing is?
The refrigerators were on unsecured networks, past their service life (no longer receiving security updates), and were using the default password.
Which part do you think the hackers needed AI for?
Using AI to “hack” into a system that insecure would be equivalent to using an AI to “hack” into the McDonald’s free guest wifi.
That’s not how projection works.
You didn’t say that verbatim, but it was implied by bringing up normalcy bias, and your imagination of “90s movie style hackers”.
Lmao, you don’t know me or my situation dog
And you don’t?