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Hi from normals.me. If you can read this, the federation works (normals.me)

submitted 23 hours ago by baldur@normals.me to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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This post is written on https://normals.me/ and delivered to !fediverse@lemmy.world over #ActivityPub, so if you are reading it the basic plumbing works. Now let me explain what is this.

Normals is a forum with communities, threads, and questions with an accepted answer. It is a single instance, not software you can host, and the core is closed for anti-abuse reasons. The federation module will be published separately with implementation notes (FEP-67ff).

What federates today Every community is a Group actor following the Lemmy model (FEP-1b12). Follow @selfhosted@normals.me or any other community from Lemmy, PieFed, Mbin or Mastodon.

Posts and comments go both ways. Replies from your instance appear in the thread on Normals, replies from Normals go back to the origin.

Remote content is labelled with its origin, links back to it, and is never copied. Media loads from the source.

Signed fetches, so it works with instances that require authorized fetch. NodeInfo 2.1 is up.

Policies, in case they matter to you, it has no ads, and no paid reach, and of course no AI training on posts. AI crawlers blocked by default, public mod log with reasons, and no automated removals. Numbers at https://normals.me/transparency so please take a look.

If something from your instance shows up wrong here, or something from here shows up wrong on yours, reply with the URL and I'll fix it. Andy Piper mentioned NodeBB uses the same group model, if anyone runs a NodeBB instance I'd like to test against it, if possible.

I hope we all have fun. Cheers!

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[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 33 points 21 hours ago

If you think choosing tailwind forces you into a certain style of website, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

And you clearly haven't just used AI for tests. I wonder if the source is closed because you know how obviously AI generated it would look if it was open source?

[+] rglullis@communick.news -11 points 20 hours ago

Why does your comment smell of elitism?

Yeah, it would be better if the code was FOSS. But at least it was released, the author seems to know the important parts of AP integration and is asking for constructive feedback. This is one million times better than developers who keep their purely organic, 100% fair trade software projects in a virtual shelf for fear of being criticized.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 17 points 20 hours ago

Is it elitism to call out vibe coding now? What a world.

Not to mention that their understanding of what tailwind is seems patchy at best, despite claiming that they have 15 years of experience.

[+] rglullis@communick.news -6 points 20 hours ago

The elitism is in thinking that using AI for some parts of the application (the frontend) nullifies the whole project.

[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 hours ago

It does if they're minimizing and lying about it

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I very much doubt the AI use is confined to the frontend. But I don't see why the frontend is fine to vibe code while other stuff is not?

Using AI as a tool is fine. It can be very useful for programming. But "vibe coding" is using it to an extreme degree where the AI is producing almost the whole thing, with a very small amount of guidance or design from the user. That's what I would object to. Such a thing has very little value, anyone can vibe code such a thing.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 4 points 20 hours ago

I very much doubt the AI use is confined to the frontend.

We can only be sure if/when they open the backend code.

why the frontend fine to vibe code while other stuff is not?

Many reasons:

frontend code has a lot less variability than backend
users already expect some common UI/UX, and AI has been trained on these so much that it rarely gets the basics wrong.
UI code is not part of the core business
buggy frontends may be bad to users, but they are a lot less likely to cause catastrophic errors in the whole system.
lots of developers do not care about frontend and think that it's s just about "making it pretty", so they are happy to delegate this work to a clanker.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 9 points 20 hours ago

Most of that is fair except

UI code is not part of the core business

That I definitely disagree with. UI and UX is important.

Still doesn't make that vibe coded frontend worth anything.

[-] baldur@normals.me -4 points 20 hours ago

Tailwind it’s a utility first framework with no pre built components, I think you are the one that does not know what are you saying, you build whatever you want and can fully customize the theme that’s literally the point of it, and it’s in the official docs.

On the AI and closed source speculation, the auth, signatures, permissions, input handling is standard and went through an OWASP review before launch I said it before. I said I used AI for unit tests, integration tests, performance work, and even to attack my own app. I did not say I let it write the product. After 15+ years writing software, most of us already know AI still ignores SOLID, duplicates existing functions, and introduces security issues if you hand it the whole job. But you’re free to dislike the design or the decision to keep the anti-abuse parts private. The transparency page is public if you want the actual policies and review status instead of the theory.

Again, if you don't like the UI or think this is all robots, you can always join X, Reddit, or any other platform that steals your data and helps big corporations, or you can develop your own and invite me, but for that you need to be developer first. I thought people were different in the Fediverse.