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Good luck. There is no easy way to peace now that Iran has realized the terror of closing Hormuz and the power it provides.
There is no way back to the old status quo. And the regime change was botched so badly that more radical people are in power now. Beheading an enemy does not in fact mean victory.
Also Israel/the Jews are considered an enemy of the state by some hard liners in Iran and must be displaced from Israel/Palestine. This means that the more radical government is likely to be a guarantee for continued low to mid level conflict.
You conflate Israel and "the jews" in your comment, and I see many of your other comments are pro Israel. Israel has indiscriminately committed massive amounts of crimes against humanity on citizens of the entire world, and has freely attacked all it neighbors in naked land grabs. Its a barbarian murder/theft state guilty of war crimes and it needs to end as an entity and its citizens flown back to the Us and Russia where they belong. Take your racist zionism elsewhere. The world is sick of your sides criminality and racism.
Israel is an enemy of the state of Iran, and Iraq, and Syria, and Lebanon, and Yemen, and Afghanistan, and Palestine, and the United States, and Europe, and ~208 other countries.
That is an objective fact of our reality. They are a ethnosupremacist fascist nation that has committed one of the most well documented genocides in world history. If there are humans in a hundred years, Israel will be viewed on the same level or worse than Nazi Germany, and all countries that enabled Israel to exist will be viewed as worthless appeasers.
Nothing can change that fact. Do not lament that states will now have to do DIPLOMACY, which Israel and the US have refused to do.
Perfect, then we have something they want, and they have something we want. The solution is obvious.
Simply sign a treaty with Iran that prohibits the US from providing military support to Israel in exchange for opening the strait. Americans get lower gas prices, the Palestinian genocide ends, Iranians don't get bombed, it's a win-win-win. They won't close the strait again for fear of the US resuming aid.
Literally all we have to do is say fuck Israel, which they 100% brought about themselves, and frankly them getting fucked is one more win.
That's like guaranteeing Ukraine's safety in exchange for their bombs.
Who gives a shit about guaranteeing Israel's safety? If they're relying on the international community for defense, they probably should've thought about that before alienating the entire world with their monsterous actions.
From an American perspective, It's not every day you get a chance to drastically reduce gas prices and all it costs is screwing over some genocidal apartheid state that you ought to be abandoning anyway. A chance like this to both do the right thing and make things easier on the people is a golden opportunity that rarely comes along in politics.
There's actually an easy solution to guaranteeing Israel's safety, too. After we agree with Iran to cut active military aid, we go to Israel and offer a treaty where we'll still come to their aid in the case of invasion, on the condition that they grant every Palestinian equal rights, including voting rights.
No, the solution is so easy the usa just have to give the compensations to iran for starting an illegal war. And stop conflating israel with jews in general?
Why? Why be happy with the old status quo? Gauge them for what you can get away with. And that's a lot. When you bet it all on 67 and get a 0 you don't get your bet back.
Also a war being illegal doesn't mean much anyway. Wars are legislated badly since the world wars and virtually always illegal. Without a world police to rectify illegality that's worth nothing.
Bavaria also does refuse to act in accordance with international law for about 50 years on the topic of Education Leave(Bildungsurlaub)
Starting an illegal war mean thst you are the aggressor and the aggressor has to pay compensation to the other side. Bavaria do not care about IL therefore it is ok for everybody to not respect it? Whst kind of logic is this?
No. This just is an example for that international law is barely law.
Same goes for the legality of wars: might makes right. You being an agressor does not fundamentally mean that you will lose and must pay unless the world police shows up and puts a gun to your head.
If you don't care about international laws you can't complain about anything including the 9/11 attacks
Bullshit. Something being IL just doesn't have a bearing on how it is going to be enforced or reacted to. There is a wide spectrum there. The terror attacks of 9/11(2001) were hainous and sparked international outrage.
Decide yourself, are you with international laws or not. You seem ok when the west do terror attacks . The bombing of the school in Itran on the first day was a terrorist attack. The firebombing of Tokyo was always the worst terrorist attack ever conducted.
Collateral damage is a fact of war and calling plausible collateral damage a terrorist attack is weaking the meaning of the term or betraying your dishonesty.
Even predigious use of arms and chemical weapons against civilians takes years to be recognized as being intentional. War is messy. War is terrible. And even worse: war is a negative sum game.
Israel has been doing terrorist attacks decades before Hamas ever existed. It is not collateral damage when the army does exactly what Israeli leaders say, which is to kill babies, raping Palestinians on cam. Nobody is stupid enough to believe that destroying the majority of civilian infrastructure is collateral damage, raping Palestinians on cam is collateral damage, destroying the majority of the agricultural fields is collateral damage, 83% of dead Gazans being civilians is collateral damage. 83% of civilians dead is a genocide-level percentage.
The 9/11 attacks sparked international outrage in some white European countries, that's it.
All other countries either didn't care or celebrated. Including Israel.
Your linked source poses it as a conspiracy theory. Not really a great move on your part. You seem intellectually dishonest.
You have zero credibility to call anything conspiracy theories when you deny genocide
The 'conspiracy' part is that Mossad did the attacks, not that four israelis, two of which were Mossad agents according to the FBI, were recording the attacks and were reported to said FBI for dancing and recording the attacks; and told the FBI they flew to America to witness the attacks.
The first part is the 'conspiracy,' the second part is the FBI's report. So is the FBI intellectually dishonest? Or were you incapable of comprehending what you were reading?
Israel is correctly considered an enemy by most members of the regime I'd assume given that Israel tried and is still trying to turn the country into a failed state, but I don't think that translates into beef with Jews. Iran has a small but not nonexistent Jewish population and at least officially they don't have a problem with Jews. Besides, the idea that the regime in Iran is a guarantor for conflict and not fucking Netanyahu (or his major competitor who is also a "security" hawk) is frankly laughable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_by_country#Iran
Their allies motto is:"God is great, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse the Jews, Victory to Islam"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkha
And whats Israels motto? Isnt it "may your village burn" as they jump up and down or beat old ladies, children, aid workers and journalists to death? Or something about "kill every Amalek", where Amalek is whoever they say on a day to day basis?
Israel will reep what it has sown and thats israels problem. We owe them nothing and never did. They have wildly interfered in US poliitics and are guilty of a massive amount of spying and theft in the US. They should feel extremely lucky we dont initiate military action against them.
Okay TIL. The article about Jews in Iran paints a somewhat better picture.
It's a very difficult situation with both(many) sides appearing willing the influence the facility and bias of the news cycle.
I would generally advise listening to many, expert sources that are extremely factual and try to understand and highlight motives and goals. A one sided view usually is tainted by propaganda. Even the Russian war of expansion/aggression against Ukraine has sensible motives for the people in charge.
Or don't. Better for the mentals. Just distrust everyone, in particular the people railing against Jews. A lot of people still harbor deeply antisemitic sentiment below a veneer of factual criticism of Israel. Islamophobia is a giant problem too, but people are more openly hateful there.
I wish I knew a solution to improve the factuality of the conversation on Lemmy and social media at large.
You're absolutely right. Which is one more reason why it's important that the left acts strongly against the Israeli state, based on a principled commitment against genocide and apartheid, instead of leaving the right to occupy that space and allowing them to redirect legitimate grievances into antisemitism.
All the reputable experts say israel is committing genocide
I did not contest that.
Israel motto is the whole Middle East is our and we will exterminate you all whatever you resist or not
I didn't agree or disagree with that motto. If you consider the eradication of Israel to be the only path that's... Not ok but what can I do about that.
Also that's not really the motto of Israel. You are mixing accusations with fact. Their Realpolitik does give worry and is genocidal in part, but that's not really the point I was trying to make.
That's Israel's motto. Everybody knows about greater Israel, and Israel is already executing that plan. They are continuing the genocide in Gaza; they are still terror-bombing Lebanon. Furthermore, they are constantly attacking Syria (which hasn't shot a single bullet at Israel since the fall of Al-Assad): they are already threatening Turkey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am_Yisrael_Chai
Am Yisrael Chai (Hebrew: עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי [am jisʁaˈʔel χaj] ⓘ; lit. 'The People of Israel Live')
That does not translate to what you are zealously claiming. Your claims about terror bombing and constant attacks on Syria overplay the facts. You are spreading misinformation and may be a victim of said misinformation.
They did bomb and attack both Syria and Lebanon, but not in a deeply terroristic mindset at large. They appear to be in the process of ceding control to the Lebanese government. It's a grand old mess.
God gave this land to us; we were promised it 3000 years ago. That is Israel's real motto. The idf terrorists go into Syrian land and kidnap civilians, why is that not considered terrorism? They are so prepared to give back control to Lebanon by killing Lebanese soldiers?
You are confidently spreading information that is false. You adding accusations and actions of people as opposed to fact to support your heartfelt claim does not further your point.
All my information is accurate